Trade 'em or keep 'em
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zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Honestly don't expect it. Closers are the least indemand player in baseball. Only about 15 or so teams need one and usually the teams who do have someoen in place.
If you look at the Matt Capps trade. Capps had a year and a half of team control, IIRC the Twinkies just lost Nathan so they were desperate, and they got back Ramos, a guy who peaked as not top 50 prospect.
Of course the only guys close to Kimbrel are Papelbon and Rivera and neither of them were traded so we don't have a real beat on his value, but I think people misestimate Kimbrel's value. If I had to rate likely value for trade it would probably go
Jason
Freddie
Simmons
Justin
Julio
Minor
Medlen
Wood
Kimbrel
in one more year Gattis could easily bring more in via trade.
Our best shot for an insane return for Kimbrel is a winning team that has a surplus at a position is willing to work with us. Otherwise don't expect to be happy with our return from trading Kimbrel, or hope there are still dumb GMs out there who have excess prospects.
There is no way to know what Kimbrel would fetch in a deal. Never in the history of baseball has a guy like him been traded.
I personally believe a team like the Tigers or Rangers would be the best bet. Maybe even the Cubs since they are so loaded with prospects and have tons of money.
I personally believe a team like the Tigers or Rangers would be the best bet. Maybe even the Cubs since they are so loaded with prospects and have tons of money.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Losing teams don't trade for closers, unless they're morons. But I digress.
Cubs will use their prospects to build up their posiiton players and pitchers. Teams that need closers are teams that are winning now, that's who looks at getting a closer in the offseason because a closer on a 70-80 win team is worthless even if he shuts the door on every game he's in.
If we move Kimbrel I think it will be fore less than people expect. People dont' value relievers too much. Our best way to move him if we do is to hope a team is desperate at the deadline as that's the way most of the best reliever trades have occurred.
Cubs will use their prospects to build up their posiiton players and pitchers. Teams that need closers are teams that are winning now, that's who looks at getting a closer in the offseason because a closer on a 70-80 win team is worthless even if he shuts the door on every game he's in.
If we move Kimbrel I think it will be fore less than people expect. People dont' value relievers too much. Our best way to move him if we do is to hope a team is desperate at the deadline as that's the way most of the best reliever trades have occurred.
PawPawMaxwell
Called Up to the Major Leagues
Castellanos is a player who is blocked at his best position. Was #4 prospect in baseball last year. We will probably need a 3rd baseman next off season. Tigers are not afraid of money. IIRC Benoit is a FA. It wont be the end of the world if Kimbrel is back with us next year but he sure could go a long way to setting us up for the future. Tigers might THAT IS A BIG MIGHT even throw Porcello our way with some incentive. Could use him as a #5 if Hudson doesnt come back and free up some of our desireable young guys as trade bait.
Profar would be great but truly and I dont know how to get him but Scooter Gennett would be my first choice at 2nd.
There is zero chance that Kimbrel is traded in season. And I believe the Cubs will be competitive faster than you think. Trading for Kimbrel would not be a one-two year deal. The team that trades for him more than likely locks him up.
PawPawMaxwell
Called Up to the Major Leagues
How can you say that when he has THREE years of arbitration to set his value???
Which is exactly the reason that it's irresponsible to assume that the Braves are sitting on a king's ransom. Not only has it never happened before, most teams do NOT invest that heavily in closers. It's understood that you want to "defend" your posts, but it's based on nothing more than opinion and speculation. Frankly, it's becoming kind of a broken record.
The Tigers and Rangers are going to evaluate what prevented them from greater success when they hold their organizational meetings. The Rangers biggest hole was losing Cruz, although Rios did as well as could be expected. The Tigers have such dominant starting pitching that there's not much pressure on their bullpen, so it's doubtful that there's a glaring need for an elite closer.
The Cubs are going to want to hold onto their top prospects until they're ready to compete. Having an elite closer is a luxury that they will not need for at least 2 years. Even then, they might go with Vizcaino when he's healthy and ready.
PawPawMaxwell
Called Up to the Major Leagues
Bet the Tigers wish they had Kimbrel last nite. Benoit and Porcello both got further exposed
Runnin
Well-known member
Never in the history of baseball?
It's hard to believe he's as good as he appears. How did we get so lucky? Without him we don't reach 90 wins this year.
PawPawMaxwell
Called Up to the Major Leagues
Remember some guy named Ruth? There are some here who say without Fredi we win 100plus. It all balances out.
I think they would offer Castellanos + for Kimbrel this offseason. Might be something to consider.
PawPawMaxwell
Called Up to the Major Leagues
If the Tigers dont win it all Wren will miss a big opportunity if he doesnt call DD. Illitch is really getting old and desparate and wont sit on his money.
tigers started year with Rondon at closer, had someone else (cant remember) after a month or so before settling for Benoit. Benoit is not much plus he is a FA coming up.
@mlbbowman: Frank Wren has provided strong indication he would like Tim Hudson back in the #Braves rotation next year.(http://twitter.com/mlbbowman/status/389785563433541632)
cajunrevenge
Well-known member
The Tigers farm system is bad. If they trade Castellanos it would probably be the worst in the majors. I would ask for Castellanos, Rondon, and Jake Thompson in return for Kimbrel
cajunrevenge
Well-known member
You do realize Scherzer's agent is Borass and he probably wants 8 years at 25 million a year right? It would take an insane offer for Scherzer to not atleast test free agency.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
I would ride you out of town on a rail.
Winning teams don't trade Kimbrel, That would be like getting back (in terms of value) Wood, Gilmartin, and Sims. Not a bad return, bu not a trade you make as a winning team. We don't need prospects, hell we don't even need a 3B for next year. We need a closer who can lock down games for as long as we can hold onto him (which shouldn't be an issue until it's FA time for Jason and Justin. Even then, it may not happen if we don't keep Mac, I'd gladly ship off Medlen to keep Kimbrel)
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
That's the ultimate fan trade.
Sure we're giving up stuff but we basically turn a surplus, and unwant, and a reliever into a big pitching upgrade and a prospect.
Gattis wouldn't get us Castellanos alone most likely. So you have Kimbrel, Medlen, and Uggla (probably about 60M in salary total for the next 2 years I'd bet more) for a young pitcher and the window to keep him around?
cajunrevenge
Well-known member
All I have to say is play him or trade him. If Fredi plans to use him in the playoffs with the season on the line then sure lets keep him. If he plans on using treating Kimbrel like a run of the mill closer then I say trade him to a team that actually plans on going deep into October and we can make do signing a run of the mill closer. We could trade Kimbrel and sign Brian Wilson and not add a cent to the payroll. Kimbrel will make that much in arbitration.