2018 Offseason And Targets

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I’m with Encheff, something big has to be in the works for them to settle on Neck. There were several better targets left but at 4 million that was hard to pass up if you had another big move up your sleeve.
 
Wait, so the Marlins and Braves have been doing the Realmuto dance all off-season and the Marlins haven't even gotten around to making an offer yet?
 
MadduxFanII said:
Wait, so the Marlins and Braves have been doing the Realmuto dance all off-season and the Marlins haven't even gotten around to making an offer yet?
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Jeter is probably over there waiting on an Acuna + Albies + Soroka for JTR and some balls signed by Jeter offer
 
MadduxFanII said:
Wait, so the Marlins and Braves have been doing the Realmuto dance all off-season and the Marlins haven't even gotten around to making an offer yet?
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It’s pretty obvious the Marlins don’t know what they’re doing. If they had a clue, a deal would’ve been done before Christmas and probably with a pretty good package for them.
 
msstate7 said:
Trying to trade for realmuto
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I guess I see what you are saying, but I'm not sure how you make the Braves rather having Realmuto than McCann or Suzuki sound negative.

I don't think it follows at all that they would necessarily sacrifice defense for offense anywhere else, because they'd be down for a no-brainer (without consideration for trade cost) upgrade.

Realmuto does not score well on framing, but probably fields the position better than any of those three from what fangraphs has to say.

I think the whole framing fixation is trees for the forest for some. It's just one part of the job.
 
Southcack77 said:
I guess I see what you are saying, but I'm not sure how you make the Braves rather having Realmuto than McCann or Suzuki sound negative.

I don't think it follows at all that they would necessarily sacrifice defense for offense anywhere else, because they'd be down for a no-brainer (without consideration for trade cost) upgrade.

Realmuto does not score well on framing, but probably fields the position better than any of those three from what fangraphs has to say.

I think the whole framing fixation is trees for the forest for some. It's just one part of the job.
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Its just one part of the job, but its EASILY the most important job out of all of them. Statistically, framing is about 10-15x more important than any other aspect of catching.

Framing can net you up to 20 extra runs per year if you are good enough. A guy that is elite at throwing baserunners out may account for 2 runs. Maybe.
 
Enscheff said:
Exhibit A showing why the eye test has been flushed from MLB FOs.
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I meant I'd be fine with Parra as a possible bounce back candidate if the search for an OF drug into late February or early March. He was never my #1 choice or anything like that. My top choice is...

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It sure seems like a moot point now though. :Sad:
 
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BeanieAntics said:
Its just one part of the job, but its EASILY the most important job out of all of them. Statistically, framing is about 10-15x more important than any other aspect of catching.

Framing can net you up to 20 extra runs per year if you are good enough. A guy that is elite at throwing baserunners out may account for 2 runs. Maybe.
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I'm aware.

I may not quite intuitively understand (yet) why roughly two pitches a game adds up to so many runs, but I'm capable of understanding the general theory and reading what the stats say about the totals.

When I do get to full understanding, I may have more informed feelings about how far to trust the framing calculations, but I can put that aside for these purposes and take them as they are.

and then Take the runs saved calculation and plug it back into WAR to compare players with different skill sets. And I can see that saving 20 runs in framing doesn't necessarily make you the better player if you are giving away 28 runs on offense and defense.

Thus, framing is just one factor of a catcher's performance.

What I'm saying is that your post was not especially responsive to mine.
 
Southcack77 said:
I'm aware.

I may not quite intuitively understand (yet) why roughly two pitches a game adds up to so many runs, but I'm capable of understanding the general theory and reading what the stats say about the totals.

When I do get to full understanding, I may have more informed feelings about how far to trust the framing calculations, but I can put that aside for these purposes and take them as they are.

and then Take the runs saved calculation and plug it back into WAR to compare players with different skill sets. And I can see that saving 20 runs in framing doesn't necessarily make you the better player if you are giving away 28 runs on offense and defense.

Thus, framing is just one factor of a catcher's performance.

What I'm saying is that your post was not especially responsive to mine.
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That's because it was the only part of your post that I adamantly disagreed with. Realmuto is pretty clearly an upgrade over any combination of Flowers/Suzuki/McCann. Most of that upgrade comes from his offensive contributions.
 
Southcack77 said:
I'm aware.

I may not quite intuitively understand (yet) why roughly two pitches a game adds up to so many runs, but I'm capable of understanding the general theory and reading what the stats say about the totals.

When I do get to full understanding, I may have more informed feelings about how far to trust the framing calculations, but I can put that aside for these purposes and take them as they are.

and then Take the runs saved calculation and plug it back into WAR to compare players with different skill sets. And I can see that saving 20 runs in framing doesn't necessarily make you the better player if you are giving away 28 runs on offense and defense.

Thus, framing is just one factor of a catcher's performance.

What I'm saying is that your post was not especially responsive to mine.
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Very simply, changing a ball to a strike is worth about 0.13 runs, and vise versa:

https://tht.fangraphs.com/dynamic-run-value-of-throwing-a-strike-instead-of-a-ball/

Anything else confusing about the stat?
 
BeanieAntics said:
That's because it was the only part of your post that I adamantly disagreed with. Realmuto is pretty clearly an upgrade over any combination of Flowers/Suzuki/McCann. Most of that upgrade comes from his offensive contributions.
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I'd say the player's bat is at least as important as his ability to frame pitchers. Realmuto's stat lines show why.

Otherwise, we are not really in disagreement.
 
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