REAL FOOTBALL Thread

Heyward said:
Edelman leads the league in receptions, and Thompkins is emerging.

And always have a great line/run game which opens up the pass game.
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Yup that great pats running game with Steven Ridley and LaGarrette Blount. To this day, BRule is crying about the Bucs getting rid out Blount. Lulz. Ridley is a solid RB but nothing special. I guess he would wish he had Moreno and Ball, and wouldn't bat his eye at that chance.

And Edelman leading the league in receptions, the lulz.
 
zitothebrave said:
And what did they do their rookie years?

Charles 629 Y/Scm 1 TD

Gore 739 y/Scm 3 TD

Martin 1926 y/scm 12 TD

Johnson 1488 y/scm 10 TD

MJD 1377 y/scm 15 TD

Peterson 1609 y/scm 13 TD

None of them were their best as rookies. (except we don't know with Martin since his career just started) Most of them took several years to get to their peak.

As far as being Benson, that's yet to be seen, maybe he will be maybe he'll be much better. I don't consider passing judgment on a player after 1 year on one of the worst teams in the NFL to be wise.
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You're cherry picking stats dude. Giles already punked you on that. Any RB can rack up a bunch of yards with enough attempts. It's what you do with the attempts you're given that's important.

He got a full yard per carry less than the worst of those guys in their rookie years and he's even doing worse this year. Charles and Gore were on 2 and 4 win teams...the Browns won 5 last year and already 3 this year.

He only looks good to you because you've had to watch Jizzqueef Rodgers too much lately.
 
zitothebrave said:
And what did they do their rookie years?

Charles 629 Y/Scm 1 TD

Gore 739 y/Scm 3 TD

Martin 1926 y/scm 12 TD

Johnson 1488 y/scm 10 TD

MJD 1377 y/scm 15 TD

Peterson 1609 y/scm 13 TD

None of them were their best as rookies. (except we don't know with Martin since his career just started) Most of them took several years to get to their peak.

As far as being Benson, that's yet to be seen, maybe he will be maybe he'll be much better. I don't consider passing judgment on a player after 1 year on one of the worst teams in the NFL to be wise.
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LMAO do you even realize what you're posting when you argue? Damn.
 
zitothebrave said:
no, because the NFL is won with 22 players not one. With the rare exception of the Vikings last year and a spackling of few other teams, most teams can't win on the ground and pound style of play. Even if Richardson becomes an all-time great, without an amazing D opposite him or a good QB the Browns won't win. Sucking and getting the max picks is the best case for the Browns.

I consider the Richardson for a 1 a good trade for both teams. The COlts got a potential force for their offense (watch how Stanford played and you'll see how Richardson fits long term) and they give up a high pick but likely one in the 20 or so

If they used that similar pick on a RB in the draft they'd get Bishop Sankey, would you rather have Ricahrdson or Sankey? Easy pick for me.
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AGAIN it's not like they traded Richardson for multiple picks. They got back a lower first round pick than what the previous GM invested in him just a year earlier. If they received a 1st and a 3rd, you'd have a point on the "need pieces" thing. They will still need a RB, just felt Richardson was 100% not worth a 1st rounder and they could get SOMEONE BETTER AND MORE IMPORTANT and found a team silly enough to repeat (almost) the same mistake the previous GM already made. And that's a microcosm of my entire argument. A good enough RB, who will do what Richardson has done, can be found outside the 1st round.

ESP47 made a great point. Richardson's YPC last year sucked, and is worse this year. ANY RB could put up those total numbers (and many better) with that many carries.
 
ESP47 said:
Charles, Gore, Martin, Johnson, Jackson, Jones-Drew, and Peterson are all guys I can think of off the top of my head that have torn it up without a passing game or good offensive line.

Give it up man. Trent Richardson = Cedric Benson.
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Don't be unfair to Cedric. He averaged over 4 YPC once in his career. Richardson might not do that.
 
yeezus said:
AGAIN it's not like they traded Richardson for multiple picks. They got back a lower first round pick than what the previous GM invested in him just a year earlier. If they received a 1st and a 3rd, you'd have a point on the "need pieces" thing. They will still need a RB, just felt Richardson was 100% not worth a 1st rounder and they could get SOMEONE BETTER AND MORE IMPORTANT and found a team silly enough to repeat (almost) the same mistake the previous GM already made. And that's a microcosm of my entire argument. A good enough RB, who will do what Richardson has done, can be found outside the 1st round.

ESP47 made a great point. Richardson's YPC last year sucked, and is worse this year. ANY RB could put up those total numbers (and many better) with that many carries.
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What is the biggest need for the Browns? Quarterback right?

This lets them either take a QB and get another player, or package their picks and trade up for a QB. Will have to see how the rankings shake out of course.
 
zitothebrave said:
What is the biggest need for the Browns? Quarterback right?

This lets them either take a QB and get another player, or package their picks and trade up for a QB. Will have to see how the rankings shake out of course.
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It lets them take a player that has much more value than a RB which is almost every other position.
 
They have brought in a coaching staff they play to have for a while. They are trying to give that staff the best chance to win. The staff feels that the NFL is a QB oriented game now..and it will only continue to favor the pass as the years move forward. The staff also feels that Richardson doesnt fit their system. They need a QB to be successful..so they trade probably 1 of the 2 players that could net them a 1.

Now theyre getting the QB they want without a doubt. Good for them. Richardson has not looked very good this year. But Weeden was such a moronic pick for Clev...he is the #2 reason Richardson is getting shipped out.
 
zitothebrave said:
What is the biggest need for the Browns? Quarterback right?

This lets them either take a QB and get another player, or package their picks and trade up for a QB. Will have to see how the rankings shake out of course.
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So, they need a bunch of pieces, so they traded a "really good" piece to get only one more piece, which in turn they might package potential pieces for one piece.
Your circular logic...my lord.
I think it's been pretty well demonstrated by many (including you) that taking a RB in the first round hasn't really worked out, and that the trend is diminishing, and that Richardson isn't that good and not worth a 1st rounder. So I'm not even sure what the argument is anymore. Good day.
 
thethe said:
It lets them take a player that has much more value than a RB which is almost every other position.
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Unless the Browns finish too high expect to see them gun for Bridgewater. If they finish high then they'll likely go with other needs. As I said it was a smart trade for the Browns, but it was also a smart trade for the Colts as long as Richardson stays healthy. As I said before, Stanford ran an offense which combined Luck's amazing passing with a power running O. Richardson gives them the power part they need. If he busts out then so be it it didn't work. But you trade a low 1 for Richardson any day of the week.
 
GMAJAH25 said:
They have brought in a coaching staff they play to have for a while. They are trying to give that staff the best chance to win. The staff feels that the NFL is a QB oriented game now..and it will only continue to favor the pass as the years move forward. The staff also feels that Richardson doesnt fit their system. They need a QB to be successful..so they trade probably 1 of the 2 players that could net them a 1.

Now theyre getting the QB they want without a doubt. Good for them. Richardson has not looked very good this year. But Weeden was such a moronic pick for Clev...he is the #2 reason Richardson is getting shipped out.
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The need for a QB due to drafting Weeden is probably the #1 reason Richardson got dealt. I don't buy the "doesn't fit the system" thing. Very good RBs will fit anywhere. I think they said "some team will give us a 1st for Richardson? Hot damn! Pull the trigger!".
 
zitothebrave said:
Unless the Browns finish too high expect to see them gun for Bridgewater. If they finish high then they'll likely go with other needs. As I said it was a smart trade for the Browns, but it was also a smart trade for the Colts as long as Richardson stays healthy. As I said before, Stanford ran an offense which combined Luck's amazing passing with a power running O. Richardson gives them the power part they need. If he busts out then so be it it didn't work. But you trade a low 1 for Richardson any day of the week.
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Browns are going to win too many games. THe Jags are getting Bridgewater.
 
yeezus said:
The need for a QB due to drafting Weeden is probably the #1 reason Richardson got dealt. I don't buy the "doesn't fit the system" thing. Very good RBs will fit anywhere. I think they said "some team will give us a 1st for Richardson? Hot damn! Pull the trigger!".
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I feel Richardson was valued much less by the current coaching staff. You've got a power back...but they dont want to run the ball. Richardson is not a huge threat in the passing game. Look how Mathews was handled in SD. Ronnie Brown was splitting touches because of his "3rd down type" pass catching ability.

Cleveland's ability to get a do over...in a sense...obviously they arent getting the 3rd overall. But merch revenue and ticket sales based on Richardson plus 15 slot tumble in the first round is fine. Its a win win situation for both teams.

20 ish overall 1st round RB = Richardson is good value..you wouldnt get his ability any later. Not saying he will outplay every back taken after that...but still.
 
Feel sorry for the team getting Bridgewater. That isn't going to over to well. Great college QB. Don't see it translating to the NFL.

Boyd will be the best NFL QB of the bunch, imo
 
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