2018 Offseason And Targets

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Chico said:
I hope our one upgrade/addition isn't injured. It would definitely be a wasted ofseason.

We need MVP Donaldson this year to make up for standing pat everywhere else.
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Can't argue, after no chance of filling the real need COF, AA just went got one of his boys. Not confidence building to say the least.
 
I personally think Sixto is destined for the BP. This wont look so good down the road. But...it is for just 2 years so....probably not that bad.
 
VirginiaBrave said:
Can't argue, after no chance of filling the real need COF, AA just went got one of his boys. Not confidence building to say the least.
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Anthopolous made the first major signing of the offseason (Donaldson) well before anything happened on the cOF market.

I think people are being ridiculously low on Donaldson, who is a fairly good bet to be the best hitter of the free agent class in 2019.

3B in my opinion was a need and the combination of Donaldson, Markakis and Camargo on the bench is better than most of the alternatives, I've seen.
 
Super said:
there is certainly real risk. their catcher was a 2.1 fWAR catcher last year, and an elite framer. they've moved to a guy who was a 4.5 WAR guy with average framing. improvement, definitely, but there's some risk that Alfaro isn't that far off JTR the next couple season, PLUS you've traded by far your best prospect.

keeping a strong farm system isn't as important for the phillies as it is for atlanta..but it's pretty damn important for every team. i'm not of the opinion that the braves are simply "hoarding resources." there has to be a price that's too high, and if guys aren't being valued as the GM feels they should, those players shouldn't be dealt. trading them guarantees the braves nothing, either. nothing is every guaranteed. so overpaying just because other teams are "going for it" seems dumb. i'd rather they give themselves a shot at the playoffs every year the next 10 than "go for it" for 2.
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I think Alfaro is pretty valuable. As you noted 2.1 WAR last year. He has a bit of a pedigree, having been rated a top 100 prospect at various points coming up. Five years of control left.

Lets say he puts up 1.5 WAR per year during those five years. We're talking surplus value of about 5 WAR. In dollar terms about $40M.

I think this is a tremendous trade for the Marlins.
 
We can only judge these trades based on what we know now...not what we know 5 years from now.

Right now, we know the Marlins got a Top 25-50 prospect with true impact potential plus a long term replacement behind the plate for 2 years of JTR.

We know that's exactly what they were holding out to get, and they were able to do so because they had AA's offer in their back pocket.

It's disingenuous to call this anything but a well played move by the Marlins, and they leveraged AA as a tool to help them do it. Sixto is better than any pitching prospect the Braves traded for during their rebuild, and you guys were gushing over every single one of them back then (remember all the times folks made an annoying list of pitching prospects so they could drool over it?), so trying to minimize his value now reeks of homerism.
 
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nsacpi said:
I think Alfaro is pretty valuable. As you noted 2.1 WAR last year. He has a bit of a pedigree, having been rated a top 100 prospect at various points coming up. Five years of control left.

Lets say he puts up 1.5 WAR per year during those five years. We're talking surplus value of about 5 WAR. In dollar terms about $40M.

I think this is a tremendous trade for the Marlins.
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and i think he's a solid bet to be better than 1.5 WAR for some of those years.
 
It is worth repeating that AA has spent 30M to acquire 6 expected wins this off-season. $5M per expected win.

Without losing a prospect. Without losing a draft pick. While potentially picking up a draft pick in next year's draft.
 
Tough not to be disappointed in what feels like a lack of willingness to make moves to improve our team. Perhaps I don’t know enough about our depth to understand.

Perhaps I don’t know enough about Donaldson, but Camargo is one of my favorite players, and I’m disappointed in not seeing him at 3rd on a regular basis.
 
nsacpi said:
It is worth repeating that AA has spent 30M to acquire 6 expected wins this off-season. $5M per expected win.

Without losing a prospect. Without losing a draft pick. While potentially picking up a draft pick in next year's draft.
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While making an ~85 win team.

Getting good value isn't exactly something to shout from the rooftops about when it results in a team unlikely to reach the postseason.
 
Mish: Multiple sources inform me (which will soon be denied) that the Braves final offer to the Marlins for Realmuto did include 3B Austin Riley but "not much else." Miami preferred the Phillies package of Sanchez with Alfaro, and there you have it.

AA sucks ass.
 
Bowman is basically saying that we are done making moves. Man they set the fans up for a big disappointment imo. Mac isn’t what he use to be and Markakis shouldn’t have been brought back at all with the money and prospects we have available.
 
Enscheff said:
While making an ~85 win team.

Getting good value isn't exactly something to shout from the rooftops about when it results in a team unlikely to reach the postseason.
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I think we are more like an 88 win team at this point. Acuna is being undervalued by every system. They all have him at about 3 WAR. There is also value in having 5 near major league ready guys in the rotation in Gwinnett that is not fully reflected in the projections for the major league team.

Plus I think AA has left himself with a fair flexibility for some move at the deadline or late off-season/spring training.
 
UNCBlue012 said:
Mish: Multiple sources inform me (which will soon be denied) that the Braves final offer to the Marlins for Realmuto did include 3B Austin Riley but "not much else." Miami preferred the Phillies package of Sanchez with Alfaro, and there you have it.

AA sucks ass.
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Pretty much what we figured all along, and the final package from the Phils lines up with that almost perfectly.

It is curious to note the Braves deemed Riley expendable, but didn't want to part with any pitchers of consequence.
 
Hudson2 said:
Bowman is basically saying that we are done making moves. Man they set the fans up for a big disappointment imo. Mac isn’t what he use to be and Markakis shouldn’t have been brought back at all with the money and prospects we have available.
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two words: Bud Norris
 
nsacpi said:
I think we are more like an 88 win team at this point. Acuna is being undervalued by every system. They all have him at about 3 WAR. There is also value in having 5 near major league ready guys in the rotation in Gwinnett that is not fully reflected in the projections for the major league team.

Plus I think AA has left himself with a fair flexibility for some move at the deadline or late off-season/spring training.
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Right when we are out of it,think of the additional pitching prospects we will get for Donaldson McCann and markakis

I’m taking the under in 88 wins....probably closer to 78-80...the Mets Phillies and nationals are all a hell of a lot better. We won’t run over them like last year..which means again being committed to mediocrity and a mediocre draft pick the following year
 
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Well, after we get over the fact that AA was used as a pawn by Jeter to get a nice return for JTR, the Braves can still make a 1-2 moves.

I have them sitting right at $114M with a hole on the bench and/or BP...perhaps in the rotation, but unlikely.

Expect to see them grab an arm like Romo, Madson or Norris fairly soon.

Trade for Frazier? Sign Marwin? Gio to fortify the rotation?

There are certainly still some lower profile additions to be made.
 
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