2018 Offseason And Targets

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Enscheff said:
The OF is projected to produce ~7 WAR total.

That is unacceptable for a contending team with resources to burn at the beginning of the off season who already had a huge head start with the NL ROY playing in the OF for free, no matter how folks insist on spinning it.

Ending up with Markakis as an everyday cOF was a failure, period.
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This is my complaint. You can make a solid argument for standing pat at every spot on last year's team except bench and OF. Markakis was the clear spot where an above average or better starter would have the most effective impact. It's just stunning that the Braves answer was a one year older version of fast declining Nick Markakis.
 
smootness said:
What do you think the smart available moves to improve that OF were?
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I pretty clearly stated I wanted Grandal, Brantley, and then a bargain signing at 3B late in the off season.

As it turns out, my plan would have netted some pretty great value adds.
 
nsacpi said:
I do think the verdict on this offseason will turn somewhat on whether one of Camargo or Riley can be an adequate outfielder. It will be possibly the most interesting question this spring training.
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I'm higher on Markakis/Camargo/Duvall/Riley's chances of being decent than most maybe, but I do think they should do something else in the OF.

I'd have done Brantley, but I'm not sure that was available to them. I would not have done McCutchen or Pollock. There is still the possibility of something like Peralta or the other dudes we've talked about. Certainly there will be more when reality sets in in some other cities.

We'll see. I feel pretty decent about their chances to contend and to get better as things progress.
 
thewupk said:
Probably not since they won. But you also know JTR no way guarantees us that either.
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Of course not. But they weren’t Garaunteed to win either. Sometimes you have to gamble.

Again. I am not saying we should have traded for JTR. I have been riding this horse since Neck signed. That was the straw. That was the glue that made me put the pieces together that DD maybe in over his head.
 
Southcack77 said:
I'm higher on Markakis/Camargo/Duvall/Riley's chances of being decent than most maybe, but I do think they should do something else in the OF.

I'd have done Brantley, but I'm not sure that was available to them. I would not have done McCutchen or Pollock. There is still the possibility of something like Peralta or the other dudes we've talked about. Certainly there will be more when reality sets in in some other cities.

We'll see. I feel pretty decent about their chances to contend and to get better as things progress.
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Peralta would make no sense with neck signed already.
 
Jaw said:
This is my complaint. You can make a solid argument for standing pat at every spot on last year's team except bench and OF. Markakis was the clear spot where an above average or better starter would have the most effective impact. It's just stunning that the Braves answer was a one year older version of fast declining Nick Markakis.
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There are a couple of ways to look at it.

For one there are several here and those likely running the Braves that don't view Camargo as an everyday player and feel Riley isn't ready yet. I lean towards that thinking as well.

Looking at it from an offensive perspective ZIPS and Steamer both project Camargo and Neck to be league average hitters in 2019.

Is Camargo and Brantely/Pollock/McCutchen/Whoever better than Donaldson and Neck?
 
bravesfanMatt said:
Of course not. But they weren’t Garaunteed to win either. Sometimes you have to gamble.

Again. I am not saying we should have traded for JTR. I have been riding this horse since Neck signed. That was the straw. That was the glue that made me put the pieces together that DD maybe in over his head.
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The Cubs were also one of if not the best team in baseball with one glaring weakness. The Braves are not in that situation right now.
 
CrazyTrain said:
Can't believe I'm defending Enscheff here, but you can't look at the Donaldson signing in a vacuum. No matter how you try and spin it, that money could've been better used elsewhere.
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That's a fine opinion to have, but let's not act like Donaldson isn't a good fit on this team.
 
Enscheff said:
I pretty clearly stated I wanted Grandal, Brantley, and then a bargain signing at 3B late in the off season.

As it turns out, my plan would have netted some pretty great value adds.
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I haven't been around in a while, I was genuinely asking. It's ok to just answer a question.

But yes, I would have liked those moves. I like Brantley a lot.

I will say, though, that with Flowers already on the roster, I like $23 million for Donaldson quite a bit more than I like $18 million for Grandal.
 
Carp said:
Some combination of Markakis, Camargo, and Duval should absolutely produce between 2-3 WAR.
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Can’t be viewded that way. Camargo will have war from multiple positions. Duvall who knows but I suspect will garner points from DH and PH. Plus you might see Duvall and Johan in the same outfield.
 
smootness said:
I haven't been around in a while, I was genuinely asking. It's ok to just answer a question.

But yes, I would have liked those moves. I like Brantley a lot.

I will say, though, that with Flowers already on the roster, I like $23 million for Donaldson quite a bit more than I like $18 million for Grandal.
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And I did just answer the question...

$23M for JD with Camargo on the roster and Riley in AAA? How is that any different?

Nice attempt at a "gotcha" sig though haha. Go review the context of the comment and Acuna's first half BABIP/OPS numbers. I'll be digging up some boner comment from you now.
 
Southcack77 said:
I've yet to see a credible demonstration of that.
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Well, that all comes down to what you think Camargo could've done at 3B for a full season instead of getting jerked around like he will next year. I personally think he would've been about 2.5 WAR. Meanwhile Nick will struggle to get 1 WAR.
 
smootness said:
That's a fine opinion to have, but let's not act like Donaldson isn't a good fit on this team.
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In a vacuum, sure. Donaldson adds a big bat to the lineup. I think that's obvious to everyone.

I personally don't think a 1 year deal is a good fit for a rebuilding team at all. Especially when you factor in that we desperately need to know if Camargo or Riley can be the future at 3B when our window is actually open. Let's face it. AA views Donaldson as a draft pick.
 
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