Legal/scotus thread

Chelsea Handler
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1h1 hour ago


In Alabama, Black women are dying from cervical cancer at 2x the rate

of white women, and from pregnancy & childbirth more than 4x as often.

In the face of public health crises that are killing women, politicians

are eroding health care access & jailing doctors.

#StopTheBans
 
The Missouri bill has a chance to pass legal muster and become a policy blueprint for pro-life states.

The Alabama law is more of a strategic move on a couple levels. One is the long-shot play to get a legal ruling from the Supreme Court that a fetus is a person beginning at conception. This is an extreme long shot. But there is actually no downside to trying for it. On a second level, its backers might see it as a wedge issue.
 
57Brave said:
why do you say that ?
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My view is the current Supreme Court will accept more regulation at an earlier point in time than is currently the case. My guess is that the ultimate outcome will end up looking like this:

First trimester--very little regulation will be permitted. The Missouri attempt to ban after 8 weeks is probably a bit too ambitious. But a reasonable outside shot.

Second trimester--will be left up to the individual states. States who wish to ban will be allowed to do so.

Third--I suspect fetal rights akin to rights of a person will be recognized.
 
57Brave said:
Chelsea Handler
‏Verified account @chelseahandler
1h1 hour ago


In Alabama, Black women are dying from cervical cancer at 2x the rate

of white women, and from pregnancy & childbirth more than 4x as often.

In the face of public health crises that are killing women, politicians

are eroding health care access & jailing doctors.

#StopTheBans
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In Alabama, 60% of abortions are African American.

Why are you against letting black children be born?
 
quite a leap there. I bring up how black women's health care is being eroded and you immediately default to fanatic mode.
tell me,
did you make that question up all by yourself or did you have help ?
 
The false premise to act like a fetus is a human is hilarious

But the hypocrisy of the “pro life” movement and Christians who cherry pick the Bible is well noted on this topic
 
nsacpi said:
My view is the current Supreme Court will accept more regulation at an earlier point in time than is currently the case. My guess is that the ultimate outcome will end up looking like this:

First trimester--very little regulation will be permitted. The Missouri attempt to ban after 8 weeks is probably a bit too ambitious. But a reasonable outside shot.

Second trimester--will be left up to the individual states. States who wish to ban will be allowed to do so.

Third--I suspect fetal rights akin to rights of a person will be recognized.
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This is actually pretty close to how Roe v. Wade was decided by the Supreme Court in 1973, with only a few minor changes. It's since then that both pro life and pro choice groups have tried to push the envelope.
 
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Oklahomahawk said:
This is actually pretty close to how Roe v. Wade was decided by the Supreme Court in 1973, with only a few minor changes. It's since then that both pro life and pro choice groups have tried to push the envelope.
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Yeah. I have issues with Roe v. Wade on grounds of judicial overreach. As a practical outcome, it has resulted in policy that is pretty close to what national opinion would likely generate. Personally, I'd like to see more restrictions on mid and late term abortions. But I may be a little right of center compared to the median voter on this issue.
 
goldfly said:
The false premise to act like a fetus is a human is hilarious

But the hypocrisy of the “pro life” movement and Christians who cherry pick the Bible is well noted on this topic
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If it is not human, a human fetus, what is it? A horse fetus? A cat fetus? What exactly?
 
BedellBrave said:
If it is not human, a human fetus, what is it? A horse fetus? A cat fetus? What exactly?
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It’s just a fetus

No reason to give it adjectives or make it more than it is

I’d take yours and the rest of the “religious” (I do think you are very religious) opinion on the matter if y’all supported more things to help those that aren’t wanted by the “pro life” movement ftr
 
I was accused * again * of killing babies.
Have never had an abortion nor has anyone in my immediate family or been discussed as even an option within my family.
Of course we've been blessed. No violent sexual crimes have been perpetrated on any one of us nor have we had defects that would of course force the conversation
I stress the word, blessed

I heard a discussion the other day of European countries that provide sex ed as early a age 4.
No stigma --- just a normal part of life.

Hearing the ignorance of women's biology from Alabama legislators makes me think we have adults of authority that have less knowledge on the subject they are voting on than a French 8 year old
 
goldfly said:
The false premise to act like a fetus is a human is hilarious

But the hypocrisy of the “pro life” movement and Christians who cherry pick the Bible is well noted on this topic
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What if you were that fetus and got aborted?

Who is laughing now?
 
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