Legal/scotus thread
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goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
It wouldn’t matter at all
I didn’t know I “existed” and I certainly wasn’t a human. Why would I have cared? I didn’t care about my non existence long before I entered the universe
Why is anyone laughing with this direct attack from the radical right?
sturg33
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Cool. We can kill kids till they are 5 years old
cajunrevenge
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How about Christian's agree to go to prison if they get an abortion and leave everyone else the **** alone. Why do they need to force it on anyone else in order to get their rocks off? If this is how it's going to be then I thi k its perfectly reasonable for non Christian's to teach their kids to hate Christians and that they are the enemy.
This isn’t about Christianity it’s about morality. You can think killing a fetus is wrong without believing in God.
cajunrevenge
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I think it's wrong and I am atheist. I just dont believe in criminalizing it without overwhelming public support for criminilization. Without that we are just creating worse problems than we are solving.
This is about Christian's because they are the ones who want to violently enforce their religious beliefs using the law no matter how deeply unpopular it is.
This is about Christian's because they are the ones who want to violently enforce their religious beliefs using the law no matter how deeply unpopular it is.
cajunrevenge
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https://www.al.com/news/2019/05/roy...aron-cohen-lawsuit.html?utm_source=reddit.com
Roy Moore demanding the judge in his lawsuit against Borat resign from the case because he won't call him Chief Justice. Typically judges hold their title for life, but that's questionable when he was kicked off the court for his refusal to obey the constitution. At some point I think his law school needs to answer for his ****. I want to see what Bar exam he passed. Did he write Jesus for every answer?
Roy Moore demanding the judge in his lawsuit against Borat resign from the case because he won't call him Chief Justice. Typically judges hold their title for life, but that's questionable when he was kicked off the court for his refusal to obey the constitution. At some point I think his law school needs to answer for his ****. I want to see what Bar exam he passed. Did he write Jesus for every answer?
striker42
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I hate the abortion debate. The only way to get the moral high ground is to make an assumption at the start. The base question is what is the status of a fetus.
If you assume it has no status, you get moral high ground about women's health and rights. If you assume it has the status of any other person, you get the moral high ground that our society is committing mass murder.
Ultimately, there's no objective answer to when rights attach. It's a judgment call you make based on your own thoughts and feelings. But recognizing that destroys your moral high ground. It's far easier to assume you're right about a fetus as your logic flows seamlessly from there. It lets you insult, criticize, and mock any who disagree.
If you assume it has no status, you get moral high ground about women's health and rights. If you assume it has the status of any other person, you get the moral high ground that our society is committing mass murder.
Ultimately, there's no objective answer to when rights attach. It's a judgment call you make based on your own thoughts and feelings. But recognizing that destroys your moral high ground. It's far easier to assume you're right about a fetus as your logic flows seamlessly from there. It lets you insult, criticize, and mock any who disagree.
If fetal homicide is a crime how can abortions be legal? You can’t have both. Either killing a fetus is a crime or it’s not.
striker42
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Whether killing a fetus should be a crime or not depends on what its status is. What rights it has and duties it's owed.
If you decide it's the same as any other person you should be out campaigning to outlaw abortion.
If you decide it has no status, you should be out campaigning against abortion as violating women's rights.
My only point is that deciding what the status of a fetus is is a personal decision with no objective answer.
57Brave
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But the majority of states do have a charge of and do charge people with fetal homicide. I don’t see how that charge would hold up on an appeal if the state has lax abortion laws. Isn’t this a future Supreme Court case?
Runnin
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A woman has the right and opportunity to abort her pregnancy whether the law recognizes it or not. The law should give her a reasonable amount of time to make a decision but that grace time should end before she's walking around with a big belly.
I think these new abortion laws are really just anti-liberal laws. I have a hard time believing that people who don't care about healthcare or civil rights really care about aborted fetuses.
I think these new abortion laws are really just anti-liberal laws. I have a hard time believing that people who don't care about healthcare or civil rights really care about aborted fetuses.
striker42
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Abortion laws are only as enforceable as the courts allow. You're seeing a push now largely because of the new makeup of the SCOTUS.
Seems like the current public debate on abortion started when NY passed their insane pro-choice laws not because of the Supreme Court make up. Common sense would had been the liberals keeping quiet on abortion rights and then NY passed thier **** without realizing the potential Pandora’s box it could open.
57Brave
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Some would argue the current push is a mobilization of the base for partisan political purposes.
As was Gay Marriage an issue leading up to 2004.
Or as a diversion from Trumps troubles
striker42
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I don't doubt energizing base support is part of it.