acesfull86
Well-known member
Agreed with both of your posts.
Legal/scotus thread
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Agreed with both of your posts.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
So if a husband and wife decide not to have any more children after having four, should we mourn the unborn fifth child and that child's never to be born children and grandchildren?
Or is it different if that unborn fifth child was never conceived?
Does the difference arise at the moment of conception or a later point?
Or is it different if that unborn fifth child was never conceived?
Does the difference arise at the moment of conception or a later point?
acesfull86
Well-known member
Talk about sophomoric
57Brave
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I see and hear this sentiment expressed by more and more women. Of all ages,stripes,colors and creeds
I mean after all ...
Anna Fitzpatrick
Verified account @bananafitz
18h18 hours ago
"what if your parents had aborted you"
yeah ok what if your parents
had decided to have sex on a different day than the one you
were conceived on, they would have made an entirely different human
who knows how to mind their ****ing business
I mean after all ...
Anna Fitzpatrick
Verified account @bananafitz
18h18 hours ago
"what if your parents had aborted you"
yeah ok what if your parents
had decided to have sex on a different day than the one you
were conceived on, they would have made an entirely different human
who knows how to mind their ****ing business
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striker42
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This is a terrible argument. First, it assumes the fetus is part of the woman's body. That's the real argument. You could just as easily write out a bunch of times "Murdering babies is wrong". You've made an assumption on the same issue.
Second, it's a bad argument that you can't have a valid opinion on an issue that doesn't personally affect you. It would be like saying you can't say the Hutu's we're wrong unless you're a Tutsi.
cajunrevenge
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Where do I sign up for this "no one can tell me what to do with my body" ****. It's kind of what the government does. Enforces other peoples morality standards on you and your body. It's not your body. It's not your child. It's not your property. It's the governments. If you want to own yourself then your gonna have to stop voting for Republicrats.
acesfull86
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No I’m sure it’s a line of “reasoning” that totally works on people who think a fetus has human rights. Bet it’s changed countless minds.
57Brave
Well-known member
Who is arguing ?
this is a growing sentiment among women
Where I recognize their point
I don't find your comparison apt
21st century opposition stems from a fanatic moral / political bent.
Outside of Westboro Baptist etc, we never hear of a political movement to curtail abortion until (R) needs to mobilize the (fanatic moral) base
You can look that up
After 50 years of consideration . I have yet to hear a convincing argument that aborting a fetus constitutes murder.
Interesting reading the history of abortion , legal /medical
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striker42
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Then it's a stupid sentiment. The idea that you can't hold a valid opinion on an issue that doesn't personally affect you is nonsense.
There are few barbers in legislatures so should legislatures not pass laws requiring licenses to be a barber?
You can hold a valid, informed opinion on abortion without being a woman. There are far more valid sentiments to put out there.
57Brave
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The difference is having an opinion about pregnancy and being pregnant.
My guess is barbers have a whole lot of input in licensing barbers.
My next guess is long long ago a guild of barbers created the concept of licensing barbers
Protecting the brand and all
Again, your comparison misses the point.
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I have found no comparison to being pregnant.
Be it civil war or cutting hair. Or for gods sake, the death penalty
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No such thing as a stupid sentiment.
Surprised to see you of all people say that
My guess is barbers have a whole lot of input in licensing barbers.
My next guess is long long ago a guild of barbers created the concept of licensing barbers
Protecting the brand and all
Again, your comparison misses the point.
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I have found no comparison to being pregnant.
Be it civil war or cutting hair. Or for gods sake, the death penalty
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No such thing as a stupid sentiment.
Surprised to see you of all people say that
striker42
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I will call a sentiment stupid when it relies on an assumption that you're right about the true issue of the debate. It's just an attempt at claiming moral high ground by ignoring the true issue (status of a fetus) which has no easy, objective answer. I have no tolerance for such things.
This is why I hate the abortion debate. People ignore the central issue and act like they're morally superior.
The conservatives are worried about the status of the fetus while the others are worried about a woman’s rights. It boggles my mind that so many think this is about a woman’s body or some kind of right when it’s about a fetus that needs to be protected.
The same people who care so much about taking guns away because of all school shootings have no problem murdering a fetus.
57Brave
Well-known member
Perhaps it is the disagreement of what is the "central issue" that troubles you.
Who is claiming "moral high ground" or harboring feelings "of moral superiority" ?
Certainly not me
Peoples sentiments are peoples sentiments.
You feeling uncomfortable with another sentiment does not make it "stupid"
Many many women have issue with people that will never be pregnant and with a 6th graders knowledge of reproductive biology creating laws that effect their health.
Perhaps respecting those people and opening dialogue would go further than dismissing them as "stupid"
Why would anyone , especially a lawyer hate any debate ?
Because your point is bull****.
The debate is at what point is a fetus a living being and should be treated as such. It’s not about any of your stupid liberal talking points.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
I'm curious how everyone would answer this question.
striker42
Well-known member
I've seen that meme about men making laws about women's bodies a half dozen times the last few days. Every time it was with the air of moral superiority.
I'm not uncomfortable with the sentiment. It's poorly reasoned. Probably because it's not the product of reason. It's an emotional reaction. One without any thought or analysis. It has no intelligence behind it and so it's stupid.
Arguing that legislators need to do more research and be more informed of a valid position. That applies to a lot of issues. Stating a male shouldn't have a say on abortion is completely different.
I enjoy debate. The abortion "debate" is not really debate. It 95% people spouting glib, poorly reasoned talking points or making inflammatory statements.
Whether it's a celebrity railing about an attack on bodily autonomy or someone screaming abortion is murder, both statements are based on an assumption about the status of a fetus. It annoys me.
striker42
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I honestly don't care what anyone's position on this is so long as they've given it thought and consideration and understand that someone disagreeing with them doesn't make that person evil.