Around The Majors 2019

i don't see any real need to trade anything of real value to San Fran for Madbum

i already don't like his old man routine against fun and he isn't anything close to the way he was or is in the playoffs
 
msstate7 said:
I agree. If Corbin starts, I want camargo in RF. We need to see if he can play there
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plus it looks like he is learning to hit even when given minimal playing time: June OPS 1.063

hope Snit notices he's been one of our hottest hitters in June
 
the Brewers are crazy top-heavy right now.
fWAR:
Yelich - 4.6
Grandal - 2.7
Mous - 2.4

then a drop

Thames - 0.8
Cain - 0.7
PITCHER BRANDON WOODRUFF - 0.6
 
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Carp said:
I still think it's possible Camargo at 3b could be a 2-3 WAR player. Now obviously Moose Tacos is still better than him, but I do think you sell Camargo short quite a bit. He plays good defense at the hot corner and is likely a .750+ OPS hitter.
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Camargo's xwOBA values the last 3 years have been:

2017 0.299
2018 0.310
2019 0.257

Those are not the marks of a .750+ OPS hitter. Those are the marks of a below average hitter (average being ~.320 xwOBA)...who was getting lucky.

Here are Camargo's xwOBA values vs LHP:

2017 0.372
2018 0.333
2019 0.250 (42 PAs)

Those are the marks of a guy who should be a .750-.800 OPS hitter vs LHP given enough PAs. He should be getting more PAs vs LHP right now, and it's unfortunate Snit allowed some early success by Markakis to derail an otherwise solid player deployment strategy.

And against RHP:

2017 0.269
2018 0.301
2019 0.261

Camargo is not a true talent .750+ hitter unless his PAs against RHP are severely limited. Considering there are about 2x as many PAs vs RHP and LHP, being good on the short side of a platoon limits Camargo's overall value.

I get it, folks think Camargo is great and simply needs more PAs because they saw a few hundred lucky PAs from him, and they like watching him throw lasers across the infield. Fact of the matter is the type of predictive data used by modern FOs tells us pretty conclusively he is not good enough to be an everyday player long term. I've been saying it for a long time now, and it's proving to be 100% accurate.

Camargo is a utility player who needs to be used mostly against LHP. Nothing more.
 
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Super said:
the Brewers are crazy top-heavy right now.
fWAR:
Yelich - 4.6
Grandal - 2.7
Mous - 2.4

then a drop

Thames - 0.8
Cain - 0.7
PITCHER BRANDON WOODRUFF - 0.6
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Would love to get Grandal on a 2/1 or 3 year deal this winter.
 
Super said:
i'd probably go 2 max at this point. someone will go more (provided he doesn't flop again in the playoffs).
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How weird was his case of the yips in the playoffs?

My dream off season was Grandal, Brantley and someone like Asdrubel/Mous to share time at 3B with Camargo, plus at least 1 value add to the BP (not a 2-3 year deal).

The offense would have still been good, but my plan would have tied the Braves to Grandal and Brantley for 3-5 years each. Hard to say my ideas would have worked out any better/worse, but I would like Grandal to be a main target again this off season.
 
Enscheff said:
How weird was his case of the yips in the playoffs?

My dream off season was Grandal, Brantley and someone like Asdrubel/Mous to share time at 3B with Camargo, plus at least 1 value add to the BP (not a 2-3 year deal).

The offense would have still been good, but my plan would have tied the Braves to Grandal and Brantley for 3-5 years each. Hard to say my ideas would have worked out any better/worse, but I would like Grandal to be a main target again this off season.
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it was strange. didn't carry over at all. i wonder how much it affected his deal.
i think your plan would've cost more $ for this year, even including Keuchel in the alternative. it's hard to argue against the value and safety of the 1-year deals. tho Brantley would sure look great right now.
would you go 3 years on Grandal?
 
Super said:
it was strange. didn't carry over at all. i wonder how much it affected his deal.
i think your plan would've cost more $ for this year, even including Keuchel in the alternative. it's hard to argue against the value and safety of the 1-year deals. tho Brantley would sure look great right now.
would you go 3 years on Grandal?
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Knowing he will likely transition to more of a backup or part time role by year 3, yes.

Knowing AA can find 1 year options that produce 80% as well as the expensive options, no.
 
Enscheff said:
Knowing he will likely transition to more of a backup or part time role by year 3, yes.

Knowing AA can find 1 year options that produce 80% as well as the expensive options, no.
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Flowers and Mac has worked out beautifully so far..obviously that exact pair won't be viable much longer, but for this year it's been a good call.
 
Enscheff said:
Wrong.

Gausman xwOBA: .324
Bumgarner xwOBA: .343

Gausman FIP: 4.13
Bumgarner FIP: 4.20

Please stop arguing from a position of extreme ignorance.

You are, like many others, letting Bumgarner's overall results in an extreme pitchers' park incorrectly skew your valuation of him.
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I wish I had a gif of applause on-hand because I'd post it.
 
Posted this in the fWAR thread but wanted to also put it here:

Scott Coleman on Twitter tweeted a stat that Rosenthal tweeted that surprised me. Since May 15th, the Braves bullpen leads all of MLB with a 3.43 era.
 
Enscheff said:
How weird was his case of the yips in the playoffs?

My dream off season was Grandal, Brantley and someone like Asdrubel/Mous to share time at 3B with Camargo, plus at least 1 value add to the BP (not a 2-3 year deal).

The offense would have still been good, but my plan would have tied the Braves to Grandal and Brantley for 3-5 years each. Hard to say my ideas would have worked out any better/worse, but I would like Grandal to be a main target again this off season.
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I was pretty much in the same camp. I thought the Donaldson signing was a bit too rich and limited flexibility to improve other positions. Looks like I am wrong and happily so. Curious to see what we do at the deadline. An actual RHH OF to spell Markakis would be good because I don't see Duvall as getting that spot. Other than that, another bullpen arm and I'm good to go.
 
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