GDT: B @ C 62419
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salmagundy
Boras' Client
How the Braves finished is posted in the Vote Topic.
CyYoung31
Shift Leader
Wise decision. There was no one worth voting for in this race.
Not an alpha move at all. Very Beto of you.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
fermes ta bouche amigo
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I would think Dans is the one that most people think of when they ask that question.
I think with Ozzie we always said he had the ability to be a 15-20 homer guy but this will be 2 seasons that Ozzie has proven to have this power.I think it’s real regardless of the juiced baseball especially right handed.
GeorgiaGirl
NL Rookie of the Year
Actually it was the opposite here.
I read an old scouting report of Ozzie just to refresh my memory and that scouting report said that he's a plus plus hitter but is unlikely to hit more than 8-10 HR a season. Whereas with Dansby it was that he probably had the ability to hit more than 12-15 HR, but he'd need swing tweaking for it and it was a question if whether if he tweaked his swing that it'd zap his ability to hit for average (but as it turned out, he's been a better player on offense when he did tweak his swing).
But like I said yesterday afternoon, in 2016, it was obvious that Ozzie's power was coming even if he had just 6 HR because he was a skinny 19 year old that was destroying balls way out of the Southern League's chasm ballparks in batting practice. Then he started adding muscle and making an effort to get to his power the next year in games. Although scouting reports said otherwise, I remember seeing something after he was hitting for power that some of the organization was quietly optimistic he'd hit for more power than projected.
He did cheat to get to his power though, teams started out 2018 pitching to the idea that he was more of a slap hitter and he looked to destroy first pitch fastballs. But he does have a 94 MPH EV as a RHB.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
Yes. But why is he doing that rushed through the minors?
Almost everyone in his situation would be in aa
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
He had 15 starts in AA during which he had a FIP of 2.73. AAA is the right level for him.
One thing he needs to learn is to pitch more to the edges of the strike zone when he gets ahead in the count. Probably needs to mix in the 2 seamer a little more. And keep working on that slider.
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Tapate50
Well-known member
If I remember right our analytics dept had him basically scrap the two seamer and throw the 4.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
The 4 is the better pitch and that should continue to be his main fastball. But I think the 2 gives hitters a different look and also probably tunnels better with the change.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
I thought they scraped his sinker for a 2 and 4 seamer. I would like to see the 4 and sinker mid with slider change tossed in. All that said, his sinker needs to be good though.
A sinker is a 2 seamer. They are literally 2 names for the same pitch.
I've detailed Wilson's stuff multiple times. He's FA/SL with a CH, and all are average-ish.
Folks waiting for Wilson to be more than what he has already displayed are probably going to be waiting for a while.
I've detailed Wilson's stuff multiple times. He's FA/SL with a CH, and all are average-ish.
Folks waiting for Wilson to be more than what he has already displayed are probably going to be waiting for a while.
striker42
Well-known member
I can understand confusion about 2 seamers and sinkers. They're the same pitch but some guys have more horizontal movement (e.g. Jarret Wright) and you see the word 2 seamer used more for that. It's more of a come back fastball than a downer sinker.
Not sure if that's what happened but I understand there being confusion.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
Hmm. I always though cutter and 2 seamer were synonyms. Maybe cutter goes one way and two cuts the other.
Regardless. I am also in the corner of Wilson being able to improve. If he were fried or Newk sage then nope. But at 21. I think there is room to grow. That said I still would bet he ends as a high end reliever.
Regardless. I am also in the corner of Wilson being able to improve. If he were fried or Newk sage then nope. But at 21. I think there is room to grow. That said I still would bet he ends as a high end reliever.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
I use the terms synonymously.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Yes. As could Gausman and Folty. The pen is likely to get some internal reinforcement.
A cutter (FC) is a fastball that moves glove side...sort of like a very hard slider (SL).
A two-seamer/sinker (SI) is a fastball that moves arm side and sinks...sort of like a hard change (CH).
A four-seamer (FA) is supposed to have lots of backspin and appear to rise...even though that's physically impossible.
A "flat" FA or SI is one that has vertical movement right around 7". Those fastballs don't "rise" enough to be a good FA, and don't "sink" enough to be a good SI. They just kinda sit there waiting to be crushed because that's the type of movement most mediocre fastballs have.
How sliders (SL) and curves (CU) are precisely grouped isn't exactly clear, but curves typically are slower with more downward break, and sliders are typically harder with more glove side movement. It is easy for pitches to let these pitches overlap and throw a "slurve".
These are just the classifications based on movement since a cutter and sinker and slider are all probably held with a 2 seam grip. They are the terms I've seen generally accepted by the "experts" who talk about them, and are the pitch types listed by FG, Pitchfx, Pitch Info Solutions, and Baseball Savant (Statcast).
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