2019 Trade Deadline Thread:

Only tangible benefit to trading for Wheeler, re extent, is that he’ll lose the QO—but that’ll happen anyways as long as he’s traded somewhere.

Also not sure the Braves should be handing multiyear contracts to 29-year-old FA pitchers with somewhat substantial injury histories. But he’s a great rental option if the price isn’t exorbitant.
 
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I imagine going from a dysfunctional perennial loser organization to the Braves who at this point are perennial WS contenders could influence him.


I dont want to give up anything more for Wheeler because he might sign with us. It's just a bonus that would come from trading for him.
 
jpx7 said:
Only tangible benefit to trading for Wheeler, re extent, is that he’ll lose the QO—but that’ll happen anyways as long as he’s traded somewhere.

Also not sure the Braves should be handing multiyear contracts to 29-year-old FA pitchers with somewhat substantial injury histories. But he’s a great rental option if the price isn’t exorbitant.
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There is a 5 year window after TJ surgery where pitchers are generally healthier. Health is always going to be a gamble. At this point when I see a pitcher who has a great health record I just see someone due for a major injury. Mike Hampton used to be Mr. Durability.
 
cajunrevenge said:
There is a 5 year window after TJ surgery where pitchers are generally healthier. Health is always going to be a gamble. At this point when I see a pitcher who has a great health record I just see someone due for a major injury. Mike Hampton used to be Mr. Durability.
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I considered leaving out the “injury history” clause. I should probably just say: Also not sure the Braves should be handing multiyear contracts to 29-year-old FA pitchers, full-stop.
 
I would love to have ZW, however, I am afraid the trade bill would have Pache and/or Anderson at the top of it. I would rather hold both and two years from now win a championship.
 
jpx7 said:
I considered leaving out the “injury history” clause. I should probably just say: Also not sure the Braves should be handing multiyear contracts to 29-year-old FA pitchers, full-stop.
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Fair enough. I think he is going to breakout when he gets to a competent organization. Everyone on that Mets staff this year has inflated HR rates even DeGrom.
 
nsacpi said:
It happens. But in a case like Wheeler, if he wants to give us a discount I imagine he will whether or not we trade for him. So the value of the trade is not a derivative of the possibility of a hometown discount.

McCann for example gave us a discount. Without our having traded for him.
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Not a great comparison because McCann played for the team for a decade. Wheeler has never played pro ball for a Georgia team.
 
jpx7 said:
Only tangible benefit to trading for Wheeler, re extent, is that he’ll lose the QO—but that’ll happen anyways as long as he’s traded somewhere.

Also not sure the Braves should be handing multiyear contracts to 29-year-old FA pitchers with somewhat substantial injury histories. But he’s a great rental option if the price isn’t exorbitant.
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His FB velocity has actually gone up the last two years. I'm not concerned about his age unless of course the deal is more than 5 years.
 
Wheeler probably costs one of our prospects not named Pache/Waters/Anderson. You could make the argument that more should be on that list but maybe something like TD/Allard would get it done.
 
jpx7 said:
I considered leaving out the “injury history” clause. I should probably just say: Also not sure the Braves should be handing multiyear contracts to 29-year-old FA pitchers, full-stop.
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Scherzer 34
Lynn 32
Morton 35
Cole 28
DeGrom 31
Strasburg 30
Giolito 24
Greinke 35
Ryu 32
Woodruff 26

Those are your 2019 midseason fWAR leaders.

Here is 2018:

DeGrom 30
Scherzer 33
Verlander 35
Cole 27
Corbin 28
Bauer 27
Severino 24
Kluber 32
Nola 25
Carrasco 31


Wheeler was 13th in 2018 and is sitting at 18th in 2019 with some bad fortune and essentially the same peripherals.


I think a four year deal on Wheeler or Cole at the correct price point would probably be ok, but perhaps it is very unlikely it would come in reasonably priced.
 
Enscheff said:
The Mets aren’t getting anything close to Pache for 2 months of Wheeler. That is complete lunacy for a guy worth something like $15M in surplus value.

Pache is the centerpiece of a package gets Thor and his 2.5 years of control.
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Agreed. I honestly don’t like a Thor trade also, because he has had so many health issues.
 
Wheeler projects to generate about 2 WAR in the second half. With the contender's premium that will be valued at about 3 WAR. Remaining salary is 3M. Depending upon what the Mets pick up his surplus value is in the 2.5-3.0 WAR range.

I would offer the Mets a choice of any 2 of Allard, Davidson, de la Cruz and Wentz. I suspect though the market will be strong enough to push up the price beyond that. Final offer from me would be Muller or Weigel plus a secondary piece such as Kingman (with the Mets picking up the rest of Wheelers salary). That would be painful, but I think we should be aggressive in bidding for Wheeler. That's the best prospect pie I would let them buy and would have to include the salary pickup.
 
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TheBravos said:
Agreed. I honestly don’t like a Thor trade also, because he has had so many health issues.
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Thor is better than Wheeler and Stroman. And has more years of control. Sure there is risk. But I would bid aggressively on Thor if the Mets indicated he was available.
 
Yeah count me in the 'dont bother with a marginal upgrade camp'

We need to.find someone who could be a difference make in a playoff series... if not, just focus on bullpen
 
For Thor, I would offer the Mets any two of Wright, Fried, Muller and Weigel. Again, I suspect the market would be strong and we would have to improve on that initial offer.
 
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