GDT 6/13/19: Keep the steak alive

Super said:
lmaooooooooo
seriously, the things Wren is given credit for says it all.
terrible FA signings, terrible drafts, but two dart-throw, small dollar INTFA signings and signing Freeman to a market-rate deal. big time foresight and genius by Frank Wren.

Wren happened to be the Braves GM when Freeman was due for a deal. huge kudos to him for his impeccable timing.
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Get mad all you want. Wren and AA are responsible for the Braves best players right now. Sad you can't see it.
 
thewupk said:
Get mad all you want. Wren and AA are responsible for the Braves best players right now. Sad you can't see it.
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not mad, and it's not sad. sad you want to give him credit for things he had basically nothing to do with because nearly everything else was so bad.
what do you think his role in Acuña and Albies was? do you think he advocated for them? scouted them? personally saw their potential?
Freeman is such a joke, and such a stretch, it doesn't need to be addressed anymore.

Wren was also the GM when Tex was traded for Marek and Kotchman. I mean sheesh.
signed Glavine as a FA and forfeited a pick for it.
Signed Lowe and Kawakami.
Garret Anderson.
HE BROUGHT MELKY IN.
Chris Johnson extension.

imagine if he were able to draft or was competent in FA signings....those teams could have actually made noise.
 
Super said:
not mad, and it's not sad. sad you want to give him credit for things he had basically nothing to do with because nearly everything else was so bad.
what do you think his role in Acuña and Albies was? do you think he advocated for them? scouted them? personally saw their potential?
Freeman is such a joke, and such a stretch, it doesn't need to be addressed anymore.

Wren was also the GM when Tex was traded for Marek and Kotchman. I mean sheesh.
signed Glavine as a FA and forfeited a pick for it.
Signed Lowe and Kawakami.
Garret Anderson.
HE BROUGHT MELKY IN.
Chris Johnson extension.

imagine if he were able to draft or was competent in FA signings....those teams could have actually made noise.
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Fans hate Coppy so much, they dont give him credit for the rebuild.

Sad to think where we'd be if Wren was still the GM.
 
Super said:
not mad, and it's not sad. sad you want to give him credit for things he had basically nothing to do with because nearly everything else was so bad.
what do you think his role in Acuña and Albies was? do you think he advocated for them? scouted them? personally saw their potential?
Freeman is such a joke, and such a stretch, it doesn't need to be addressed anymore.

Wren was also the GM when Tex was traded for Marek and Kotchman. I mean sheesh.
signed Glavine as a FA and forfeited a pick for it.
Signed Lowe and Kawakami.
Garret Anderson.
HE BROUGHT MELKY IN.
Chris Johnson extension.

imagine if he were able to draft or was competent in FA signings....those teams could have actually made noise.
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That's the past. I'm talking about the 2019 team. Wren signed FF's extension and signed Acuna and Albies. Facts are facts bro.
 
thewupk said:
That's the past. I'm talking about the 2019 team. Wren signed FF's extension and signed Acuna and Albies. Facts are facts bro.
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And Wren could have kept Tex and drafted Trout and we would be 10 wins better off. All of his awful decisions linger over the team just as much as Coppy’s.

Wren sucked.
 
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thewupk said:
That's the past. I'm talking about the 2019 team. Wren signed FF's extension and signed Acuna and Albies. Facts are facts bro.
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And we wouldnt of had to blow the past team up if not for his horrible drafting/past mistakes.

Facts are facts, Wren was terrible, Coppy made his fair share of mistakes but he was still better than Wren. Deny it all you want.
 
chop2chip said:
The worst discussion on this board is Coppy vs Wren. It’s been 5 yrs since Wren and 2 yrs since Coppy. Good riddance to both of them. They both did more harm than good.

AA >>>>>>>
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i don't disagree with this at all. neither were good. i'd say they were almost equally bad, all things considered. it's just funny seeing Wren given this god-like status when he was terrible overall, and the good "he" "did" was more a product of people in place in the org. (INTFA department, Freeman) before he even came to Atlanta.
it's extremely likely Wren never even saw Ronald or Ozzie play before they were signed. the INTFA department that he didn't put together got them.
i don't even give them credit, tho. winning the lottery isn't a skill. it's luck. those two working out like they have is far more luck than anything else.
so the biggest feathers in Wren's cap are two extremely lucky pieces that he had basically nothing to do with. again: that says a lot.
 
Heyward said:
And we wouldnt of had to blow the past team up if not for his horrible drafting/past mistakes.

Facts are facts, Wren was terrible, Coppy made his fair share of mistakes but he was still better than Wren. Deny it all you want.
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You mean if every starting pitcher didn't get injured?
 
Heyward said:
And we wouldnt of had to blow the past team up if not for his horrible drafting/past mistakes.

Facts are facts, Wren was terrible, Coppy made his fair share of mistakes but he was still better than Wren. Deny it all you want.
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Wren was not allowed to rebuild, even though he should have. Coppy had a treasure chest of talent to trade and botched several of them. The Johns broke so many rules we lost a draft pick and had international penaltues we are still feeling. Coppy had nothing but high draft picks. We really need to stop comparing the two. Different guys different stages of the team. I am personally thankful both are gone.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
Wren was not allowed to rebuild
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what's the source on this claim, again? Jeff Wren?
more rebuild trades went well than poorly. unless we're still of the mindset that one year of Heyward and one year of Upton had tremendous value, which seemed to be the thought but clearly not the reality back then.
 
Super said:
what's the source on this claim, again? Jeff Wren?
more rebuild trades went well than poorly. unless we're still of the mindset that one year of Heyward and one year of Upton had tremendous value, which seemed to be the thought but clearly not the reality back then.
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Logic. He needed to and didn’t. You can assume he was trying to win more at the risk of his job or was instructed to win or else. I am always going to lean that he was told to win. The rebuild has been successful because of a lot of reason. Not because of one.
 
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