50PoundHead
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A few noticeable and unfortunate sideways steps, but I agree that there's really no reason to complain these days.
The 3 New BP Arms
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A few noticeable and unfortunate sideways steps, but I agree that there's really no reason to complain these days.
The Braves are about to win their 2nd straight division, so it's safe to say the rebuild went pretty damn well.
Obviously there was some good luck (Dave Stewart, the insane hit rate on top position prospects), some bad luck (overall terrible luck on pitching prospects), and some sub optimal moves (Olivera, too many pitchers), but overall it was a resounding success.
Hudson2
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And with AA being hesitant to trade our best ones we should have a pretty long window.
Precisely what we see the Astros and Dodgers do. Keep the potential impact talent, and trade away the guys who project as average players or role players.
Which is shown in the numbers that I saw on MLB network yesterday.
Since 2008 only 20% of all prospects traded at the deadline have even made it to the majors much less become impact players.
Pretty low hit rate and some evidence that teams don’t include there best prospects in these trades.
cajunrevenge
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None of the 3 have pitched in a few days so should be all 3.
We know a few of those who did make it to the majors.
Scott Kazmir for Victor Zambrano.
Then there's also Elvis Andrus... Neftali Feliz... Saltalamacchia...
The Tex trade still feels like a bad dream and should never be mentioned haha
nsacpi
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Smoltz
Southcack77
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Yep. For the most part teams are hoarding their best and the guys moved are those they aren’t as high on or are injured.
Probably the expectation that fire sales are going to bring back elite guys is out of whack with reality. Particularly when you are trading non-elite players with limited control.
Braves got back a lot of things that are helping division winners so that’s about all you can really hope for. There was one very questionable trade that lead to some chain reaction trades to mitigate that damage but otherwise what they did seemed reasonable to me.
I think now is a good time to remind folks about just how good these new BP arms actually are...
None of them are elite. None of them are even as good as Luke Jackson.
They are all in that group just below what Jackson has done this year, and what we expect from a non-crappy Minter.
The best 2 BP arms in the organization are still Jackson and Minter if he figures out whatever is going wrong.
None of them are elite. None of them are even as good as Luke Jackson.
They are all in that group just below what Jackson has done this year, and what we expect from a non-crappy Minter.
The best 2 BP arms in the organization are still Jackson and Minter if he figures out whatever is going wrong.
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
Not saying you wrong because you would eat me up like southern fried catfish, but Newcomb is better than them both based on stuff. Problem he lets things get to him if something goes wrong.
DirkPiggler
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On what are you basing this? I'm assuming it's just the one-year sample size for Jackson.
All of them, including Jackson, look like JAGs to me. They are all examples of the volatility of non-elite relief pitchers, and excellent examples of why teams shouldn't overpay for any of them or sign them to long-term deals.
Correct. I should have been more precise in my wording.
None of them are better than 2019 Luke Jackson.
You are also correct when stating BP are so volatile it makes no sense to commit resources to them long term unless they are the young truly elite guys.
Allard sucks ass
CyYoung31
Shift Leader
This.
the Braves called him up last year. ‘member how wonderful that was
sturg33
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But have you considered the possibility of extending Sam Freeman through and beyond his arbitration years?