Around Baseball Offseason Edition - Derek Jeter will retire at seasons end

NinersSBChamps said:
Put him in left field, so we can have a different terrible contract on the bench.
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BJ Upton. Highest paid pinch runner in the history of baseball OR the Braves could convert Markakis to a pitcher. The Braves really wanted to draft Markakis the year he was drafted, but they wanted to draft him as a pitcher and not as an OF.

I'm totally kidding. I just don't see this as a match-up unless the Braves were to flip Markakis in a subsequent transaction.
 
50PoundHead said:
BJ Upton. Highest paid pinch runner in the history of baseball OR the Braves could convert Markakis to a pitcher. The Braves really wanted to draft Markakis the year he was drafted, but they wanted to draft him as a pitcher and not as an OF.

I'm totally kidding. I just don't see this as a match-up unless the Braves were to flip Markakis in a subsequent transaction.
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That was more what I was going for.
 
Good deal for both. Fielder will definitely help Texas immediately, but Detroit may come out ahead in the long-term. Then again, who knows?
 
Evan Grant‏@Evan_P_Grant

Cash payments from Detroit will be paid out in 2016-20, so no extra money for #Rangers up front.

I'm curious how the Rangers handle the rest of their off-season. They need an outfielder and a catcher. Wonder how they will allocate money to fill those two needs.
 
nsacpi said:
Evan Grant‏@Evan_P_Grant
Cash payments from Detroit will be paid out in 2016-20, so no extra money for #Rangers up front.

I'm curious how the Rangers handle the rest of their off-season. They need an outfielder and a catcher. Wonder how they will allocate money to fill those two needs.
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I would guess they sign one of the catchers, McCann being the most likely.

Outfield wise, i could see Beltran as a fit.

I saw Choo/Ellsbury mentioned as well.

Granderson would be a decent fit as well.
 
I think Texas wins after thinking about it.

Detroit will have plenty of money off the books next year with Hunter, VMart, and they'll probably trade one of Porcello/Fister to make room for Smyly in the rotation.

So they'd have enough to sign Scherzer to a huge extension.

Kinsler doesnt exactly have a team-friendly deal, not as big as Fielder's deal but still not great.

Regards to Uggla, im not sure what contract we could take back if thats what would work.
 
A few bad contracts that could help the Braves more than keeping Uggla on the roster:

Overpriced OF bench bat like Markakis

Overpriced but durable veteran starting pitcher

Overpriced BP arm

A team with a hole at 2B could prefer Uggla's bad contract over a bad contract like the 3 listed above.
 
Enscheff said:
A few bad contracts that could help the Braves more than keeping Uggla on the roster:

Overpriced OF bench bat like Markakis
Overpriced but durable veteran starting pitcher
Overpriced BP arm

A team with a hole at 2B could prefer Uggla's bad contract over a bad contract like the 3 listed above.
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Thanks for pointing out that there are more valuable ratholes to pour p*ss down! LOL.

After thinking about the Rangers/Tigers deal, moving Uggla may boil down to a swap of big, and in the case of Uggla "bad," contracts.
 
nsacpi said:
Seattle and Colorado are the most likely destinations for Uggla imo.
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Can't personally see Seattle as a match at all personally. Have to think Jack Z would much prefer to let some combination of Miller/Franklin/Triunfel/Ackley man 2B and SS and spend money on OF help.
 
I really doubt that a Markakis for Uggla deal is any more than a nocturnal emmision. But, when I bring something up here it is based on stated needs/rumors not invented by me that make the press or at least a respectable internet source

Next thought and not reinventing anything but has everyone forgotten the Phillips/Uggla rumor (granted it came from Atlanta sources). With the signing of Shumaker is it possible that Reds are simply waiting to replace Choo before moving Phillips? Someone says they see Seattle or Colorado as landing places for Dan.
Personally I dont see how either of those fits, especially Seattle after watching their failure with Ackley. Doubt they are looking for another disaster.

An additional consideration in finding a home for Uggla is the Brewers situation with Weeks. They want to dump him as well.
 
clvclv said:
Can't personally see Seattle as a match at all personally. Have to think Jack Z would much prefer to let some combination of Miller/Franklin/Triunfel/Ackley man 2B and SS and spend money on OF help.
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Seattle generated a grand total of 0.1 WAR from their second basemen in 2013, the fifth worst in the majors. They are looking for right-handed power. They also have trouble attracting free agents, making the trade route something they are more likely to use to address their needs. Based on the above, I think they are one of the more plausible possible landing places for Uggla. Plausible doesn't mean likely of course.
 
PawPawMaxwell said:
I really doubt that a Markakis for Uggla deal is any more than a nocturnal emmision. But, when I bring something up here it is based on stated needs/rumors not invented by me that make the press or at least a respectable internet source

Next thought and not reinventing anything but has everyone forgotten the Phillips/Uggla rumor (granted it came from Atlanta sources). With the signing of Shumaker is it possible that Reds are simply waiting to replace Choo before moving Phillips? Someone says they see Seattle or Colorado as landing places for Dan.
Personally I dont see how either of those fits, especially Seattle after watching their failure with Ackley. Doubt they are looking for another disaster.

An additional consideration in finding a home for Uggla is the Brewers situation with Weeks. They want to dump him as well.
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My guess is the Reds would like to trade Phillips for a younger and cheaper second baseman. They are more likely to be interested in someone like La Stella than Uggla.
 
clvclv said:
Can't personally see Seattle as a match at all personally. Have to think Jack Z would much prefer to let some combination of Miller/Franklin/Triunfel/Ackley man 2B and SS and spend money on OF help.
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Jack Z also has a penchant for slugging, underperforming DH types -- see Mike Morse, Kendrys Morales, Raul Ibanez, Jason Bay.
 
nsacpi said:
Seattle generated a grand total of 0.1 WAR from their second basemen in 2013, the fifth worst in the majors. They are looking for right-handed power. They also have trouble attracting free agents, making the trade route something they are more likely to use to address their needs. Based on the above, I think they are one of the more plausible possible landing places for Uggla. Plausible doesn't mean likely of course.
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Ackley has not panned out. Just shows that even the "can't misses" sometimes miss. He's still young, so I'm not calling the cemetery to see if they have a plot all ready for him, but his last two years have really been down after a decent rookie campaign.
 
50PoundHead said:
Ackley has not panned out. Just shows that even the "can't misses" sometimes miss. He's still young, so I'm not calling the cemetery to see if they have a plot all ready for him, but his last two years have really been down after a decent rookie campaign.
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I would be interested in taking a flier on Ackley, there's still a ton of potential there. Doubt Seattle would be interested in moving him yet, but you never know.
 
nsacpi said:
My guess is the Reds would like to trade Phillips for a younger and cheaper second baseman. They are more likely to be interested in someone like La Stella than Uggla.
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But, But, ALL the conventional wisdom here (yours included) is that Phillips' contract is worse than Dan's.
 
50PoundHead said:
Ackley has not panned out. Just shows that even the "can't misses" sometimes miss. He's still young, so I'm not calling the cemetery to see if they have a plot all ready for him, but his last two years have really been down after a decent rookie campaign.
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No question. However, I'd much rather have someone making the league minimum to sit on the bench rather than tie up $4-ish million per. The only way Seattle lands a free-agent that can actually play is by drastically overpaying - my guess is that Jack Z needs every dime he can get his hands on to try to convince an Ellsbury to sign (even though he has ties to the region).
 
Hawk said:
Jack Z also has a penchant for slugging, underperforming DH types -- see Mike Morse, Kendrys Morales, Raul Ibanez, Jason Bay.
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The MLB Tonite pundits IIRC all seem to think Z is on his last legs. His last chance is in the its death throes. Doubt he would want to compound his tenuous position with a gamble as dubious as Uggla.
 
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