striker42
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Its always looked like a release point issue for me. I'm no expert but Ive read where the Angels thought him having an inconsistent release point was something he needed to fix.
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Its always looked like a release point issue for me. I'm no expert but Ive read where the Angels thought him having an inconsistent release point was something he needed to fix.
Then why bother to reply?
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
Any analysis of spending that does not factor COVID losses from this year and next and the pending strike is not valid.
I’m not sure why we still go through the exercise of adding up all the salaries leaving the team as if that’s any indication of future payroll space.
Can someone do the legwork of adding up the guaranteed money and a few rough arb projections? Then we have an idea what we’re talking about.
Can someone do the legwork of adding up the guaranteed money and a few rough arb projections? Then we have an idea what we’re talking about.
To get some feeling for what's available. I made no effort to frame the numbers as any sort of exact estimate - simply ballparking things. Those numbers included the raises due Acuna and Albies plus bumps for Fried and Dansby. If you replace Flowers, Duvall, and Markakis with players making the minimum in Contreras, Pache, and Waters there's around $9 million in there for arbitration raises.
You love shouting people down - why don't you do the legwork yourself?
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
I think he is right. Instead of projecting what the Braves have to spend by using expiring contracts. You are better served adding the guaranteed contracts/arb salaries and then getting difference from a projected opening day budget.
The real debate is how much the opening day budget will be. Liberty is already thinking of selling the battery. The debt the team took on this is going to crush this team. It is a tremendous asset when the team is playing well and the battery is full. But when it is like this the team will suffer.
So I am predicting that the budget for opening day next year will be far less than 160 million.
Southcack77
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They have 67.5 m guaranteed. I think they'll pick up O'Day's option so that will put them at 70.5m.
I'm not good at estimating arbitration figures and I'm not sure I'm right about the Braves picking these up, but let's call it:
Swanson 5m
Duvall 5.25m
Jackson 2.9 m
Camargo 2.7m
Minter 1m
Dayton 1m
Up to about 90m. Call it a minimum of 97m (filling out with minimum players)
Folty 9m? Folty is the big question of the offseason. You could see them simply decline arbitration and let him go. I'd guess they would go to arbitration and then see how he looks in Spring Training and make a quick decision.
Newcomb - He might be Arb eligible. Not quite sure with the demotion. Certainly, you would pick up his arb1.
PawPawMaxwell
Called Up to the Major Leagues
Wonder how many teams and if Braves are one of the teams to call Indians about Plesac and Clevenger?
Because I do that legwork every single year, and I didn't start the "how much money the Braves have" discussion.
Counting up the money leaving is about the same effort as counting up the money staying, so you did the same amount of work to yield info that wasn't useful to your end goal.
Thank you. Arb projections now are just a ballpark guess, but since they are so small even if they are off by 25% it won't affect much.
I can easily see Camargo and Duvall getting dumped. Jackson maybe as well, but he's probably fine as a $3M durable mid-leverage BP arm.
Swanson at ~$5M for ~2 WAR is getting interesting, but he's probably coming back unless he's used in a trade to bring back a higher impact player.
As Matt said above, the real question is what the payroll figure will be. We had a pretty good feel for it in previous years, but next year is completely uncharted waters. Either way, expect AA to do what he has done...grab impact players on short deals. Think Bauer and any RHH impact bat coming off an injury or a tanked market for some other reason looking for a prove-it 1 year deal.
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Ask is likely to be WAY higher than AA is interested in paying - and I'm not so sure how comfortable the players would be about adding them after the stunt they pulled and how tough a time Freeman had with the virus.
Why would the Indians do that? The options have already been burned and their clocks have stopped. They could keep them down the rest of the year and just start again next year.
PawPawMaxwell
Called Up to the Major Leagues
I didnt say Indians should do anything. What I posed was simply a question AND Ill bet that more than one team has called the Indians FO as to availability. And for what it is worth, Indians could/have moved both and still have a very formidable starting rotation.
you're correct.
very few pitchers are drafted and projected to be TOR starters. it's kind of foolish to project unless we're talking about a Strasburg type talent, and they're rare. most pitchers taken in the FIRST round don't project to be that.
Would you be willing to give up Pache or Waters plus for one of them? That's likely going to be the ask.
MadduxFanII
Swallowed by Mark Bowman
Wonder if the Braves and Ozuna might just decide to run it back again on another one-year deal. Hard to see him pulling a Donaldson and re-building his value in a nonsense season like this one. The bat's still there, but the early small sample defensive numbers seem pretty ugly. Assuming the NL gets the DH full time starting this off-season, it might make sense for both sides to sign another one-year deal for similar money with the intention of transitioning Ozuna to a mostly DH role.
Southcack77
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Ozuna is a likable presence it seems to me. He's not killing it or anything, but I think it's been a good pickup.