2020 Trade Deadline Thread

[Russ2dollas]

I doubt we could do that deal and keep the catchers and Waters. One of them would have had to be in it. Padres traded a good amount, not like they traded scraps. More surprised Indians went for quanity over quality package.

They did not trade any top 100 guys.

Best guy is probably Arias. Only 19. Far away. SS with power but lots of hit issues. It's not like he's a likely Lindor replacement in two years like Shewmake could be.

Miller is Charlie Culberson. Probably a utility guy. Maybe has a chance to be regular if he hits for average but no power and no super tools.

Cantillo is a soft tossing lefty.

This is the definition of dealing from the middle of your system and not touching, not sniffing, the top.

Naylor looks like the best player in the deal to me.

 

[Super]

So sick of supporting this organization.

I hope the Nashville team gets approved and they kick the Braves ass.

if it means this cornball leaves, i hope so too

 

[sturg33]

Ross Strippling to Blue Jay's for peanuts

I'd have liked to have gotten him

 

[MadduxFanII]

Even with the benefit of hindsight it feels like the Braves had a reasonable plan for the starting rotation going into (the original) spring training - Soroka and Fried blowing the doors off the joint at the top of the rotation, a solid vet in Hamels, then a scrum for the fourth and fifth spots from the Folty/Touki/Newcombe/Wright/Felix group, with guys like Davidson, Wilson and Anderson in the high minors. There's a lot of redundancy built into that plan and a lot of options. And if you still had a sore spot in the rotation come July you could move to fill it at the deadline.

There were certainly risks there you could anticipate -- Hamels was coming off a shoulder injury, there were big question marks about that group of bottom of the rotation pitchers even before this year, etc. But for a team on a budget, that's not an awful plan. There's only so much you can do when multiple cataclysms tear through your rotation and a shortened season means you have to move to address them nownownow.

 

[Heyward]

They did not trade any top 100 guys.

Best guy is probably Arias. Only 19. Far away. SS with power but lots of hit issues. It's not like he's a likely Lindor replacement in two years like Shewmake could be.

Miller is Charlie Culberson. Probably a utility guy. Maybe has a chance to be regular if he hits for average but no power and no super tools.

Cantillo is a soft tossing lefty.

This is the definition of dealing from the middle of your system and not touching, not sniffing, the top.

Naylor looks like the best player in the deal to me.

Think you're underrating some of the SD guys. Culberson isnt good and has no trade value. We would have had to put in Waters to beat that package the way it looks.

 

[zbhargrove]

Honestly. The blueprint of giving Tomlin, Erlin, and Milone two times through the order and pitching the bullpen seems like a good strategy.

With all of the injuries, I would rather save our bullets for when we can give a more spirited run.

The problem is, our bullets keep getting weaker the more they sit on the shelf.

 

[PawPawMaxwell]

I dont know why AA didnt seem to make a move for Clevenger but Ill concede that he has more inside info than I. But dreaming of next year and a rotation of Soroka, Fried, Clevenger and maybe Anderson almost makes this 80 year old have wet dreams.

 

[Super]

Ross Strippling to Blue Jay's for peanuts

I'd have liked to have gotten him

really just depends on what teams prefer.
they don’t just look at fangraphs rankings and decide. i think there’s legitimate differences in who teams value/target/want regardless of lists.

 

[CyYoung31]

Boycott the Braves

We have to take a stand

The nerds of the world are running amok demanding we be "competitive" over a long period instead of going for the flag.

FLAGS MATTER. THAT'S WHY YOU PLAY THE GAME.

I don’t know about you, but I won’t be going to a single Braves game the rest of this season.

 

[Russ2dollas]

Think you're underrating some of the SD guys. Culberson isnt good and has no trade value. We would have had to put in Waters to beat that package the way it looks.

You think any of those guys are in our top 5 prospects?

I grant you that Arias is probably going to have to cost Shewmake or Langeliers. And beauty can be in the eye of the beholder. Some people love to dream on power hitting SS.

I won't go through all of the rankings, but I don't think you'll see any of those guys listed as top 100 guys.

Pache, Waters, Contreras, Langeliers, Wright, and Wilson were all listed by someone. Wilson I think was only on Klaw. Maybe Langeliers wasn't.

But Miller and Cantillo isn't much. Muller, de la Cruz and Ynoa are easy rivals for Contillo.

Not sure who is that high on MIller. He's a college guy with a hit tool and not much else. Only been to AA and been ok.

I bet the Indians wanted the cost certainty of Hedges and like the potential thump of Naylor when he got out of PETCO.

 

[GovClintonTyree]

Even with the benefit of hindsight it feels like the Braves had a reasonable plan for the starting rotation going into (the original) spring training - Soroka and Fried blowing the doors off the joint at the top of the rotation, a solid vet in Hamels, then a scrum for the fourth and fifth spots from the Folty/Touki/Newcombe/Wright/Felix group, with guys like Davidson, Wilson and Anderson in the high minors. There's a lot of redundancy built into that plan and a lot of options. And if you still had a sore spot in the rotation come July you could move to fill it at the deadline.

There were certainly risks there you could anticipate -- Hamels was coming off a shoulder injury, there were big question marks about that group of bottom of the rotation pitchers even before this year, etc. But for a team on a budget, that's not an awful plan. There's only so much you can do when multiple cataclysms tear through your rotation and a shortened season means you have to move to address them nownownow.

Yeah, I see your point, that was a plan and had some air built in in case some things went wrong and then almost everything went wrong. I think what I'm suggesting is that it felt like AA was, again, addressing things on the margins when he had at least one core need - his rotation wasn't strong enough. I don't mean deep enough, I mean strong enough.

Then the plan blew up, as plans sometimes do. The Clevinger opportunity was a chance to clean that up. Controllable front line pitcher with another year of control after this one. I figure out a way to make that deal.

 

[Twilo73]

It's hard to blame Anthopolous for not going balls to the wall for this silly season, but damn, it's hard to think like that when you're watching this team's starting rotation day-in and day-out.

Not really because as expected some of our top prospects are losing value. If you could have traded Kyle Wright and Cleavinger two years ago when he was considered a top 30 pick wouldn't you have knowing what you know now? Or traded Folty two years ago as well. Truth is we haven't hit that much with pitching.

I remember when Chuck James was a hot commodity and then was out of the team two years later.

 

[Enscheff]

I certainly expected more at the deadline, just like everyone else.

AA claims payroll wasn't an issue, but other teams wanted MLB-ready assets. Well, the Braves have tons of MLB-ready assets, and most of them are a lot like Naylor in the sense they are in that prospect purgatory where they are no longer prospects and they aren't yet bonafide MLB players. Those are exactly the types of players he should have given up for immediate help...especially if someone like Clevinger was available.

This narrative going around that "the Braves aren't really ready to compete right now" is complete and utter nonsense. This is how good mid-market teams can reasonably expect to be. This is the peak for teams like the Braves. This is the contention window. That doesn't mean "go all in", or some other lame cliche, but this is most definitely a year they are legit contenders.

Ahh well, I suppose there will be lots of irrational posts here due to a disappointing deadline, but this team is still the same legit contender it was yesterday, and we should be watching meaningful baseball in October.

 

[Horsehide Harry]

Not really because as expected some of our top prospects are losing value. If you could have traded Kyle Wright and Cleavinger two years ago when he was considered a top 30 pick wouldn't you have knowing what you know now? Or traded Folty two years ago as well. Truth is we haven't hit that much with pitching.

I remember when Chuck James was a hot commodity and then was out of the team two years later.

This is talent windage.

Something the Braves haven't been very good at outside of a few outlier no brainers like the Swanson deal. The Fried deal looks like it's working out. The Soroka pick looks good. But when you consider all the gyrations performed by the Johns then AA and his Group, the payoff surely looks light. AA has done a great job locking up the young Wrens and he's done a good job building the bullpen, even though not much has been home grown. Everything else has been pretty marginal, at best.

 

[Enscheff]

This is talent windage.

Something the Braves haven't been very good at outside of a few outlier no brainers like the Swanson deal. The Fried deal looks like it's working out. The Soroka pick looks good. But when you consider all the gyrations performed by the Johns then AA and his Group, the payoff surely looks light. AA has done a great job locking up the young Wrens and he's done a good job building the bullpen, even though not much has been home grown. Everything else has been pretty marginal, at best.

This is the most factually inaccurate take I've seen...

AA's short term deals have been outstanding. JD was a stud. Ozuna is a stud. Flowers has been amazing. TDA has been amazing. Markakis has been a massive value this year. Literally the only sort term deal that hasn't worked out has been Hamels so far.

AA's plan is to supplement the home grown talent with impact MLB players on short term deals has been nothing short of extraordinary. The worst deal he has locked the Braves into was Will Smith, and that's nothing compared to the horrid deals most teams are carrying.

What in the world do folks expect from a mid-market payroll? I mean seriously....this is about as good as these resources could have been deployed.

 

[thewupk]

This is talent windage.

Something the Braves haven't been very good at outside of a few outlier no brainers like the Swanson deal. The Fried deal looks like it's working out. The Soroka pick looks good. But when you consider all the gyrations performed by the Johns then AA and his Group, the payoff surely looks light. AA has done a great job locking up the young Wrens and he's done a good job building the bullpen, even though not much has been home grown. Everything else has been pretty marginal, at best.

Despite Hamels being MIA I feel like his FA moves have been really good considering the Braves situation.

 

[Enscheff]

Despite Hamels being MIA I feel like his FA moves have been really good considering the Braves situation.

It is complete buffoonery to suggest anything else.

Folks are making insanely ignorant statements right now because they are upset AA didn't "go for it".

 

[Enscheff]

So to recap:

AA has locked up the young studs, built a great BP, made many excellent FA additions, hasn't shackled the team with bad contracts, won 2 division titles, is well positioned to win a 3rd despite an entire rotation blowing up, and has done it without spending any prospect capital of note...

But he sucks because he didn't make deadline moves folks expected. Seems logically thought out...not at all moronic emotional overreactions....nah.

 

[bravesfanforlife88]

It is complete buffoonery to suggest anything else.

Folks are making insanely ignorant statements right now because they are upset AA didn't "go for it".

I'm not upset that AA didn't push all his chips into the middle. I am upset to not at least see some kind of upgrade in a rotation that only has 1 starter. A guy that couldn't hold a 10 run lead is not the answer IMO.

Yeah, you can spin it as, "we are still high on Folty/Newk/etc." or "oh Hamels may start 2-3 games in September"....

We needed someone to fill the void. There is no excuse to have not gone out and gotten 1 guy to fit into the rotation, unless it is payroll related. I'm assuming that was the case and he just doesn't want to say it. But at this point, it is what it is, and won't be changing...

If Folty is indeed back up to 94 MPH on his fastball, he needs to be up here starting over Erlin. If Newk is showing better command, he needs to be up here starting in place or Tomlin, or piggybacking with Tomlin.

 

[Heyward]

AA's FA moves have been great. Hamels hasnt worked out and Will Smith hasnt looked so good now. But Shane Greene was awful to start with the Braves and hes been lights out since. I'd give Smith some more time to get going.

There's things to blame AA on, his FA moves are not one of them.

I do think he's going to need to be a little more aggressive on the trade front, and just going 1 year deals to FA's. But hard to really complain about his moves. I dont totally blame him for not going for it in this year.