2020 Trade Deadline Thread

Enscheff said:
So to recap:

AA has locked up the young studs, built a great BP, made many excellent FA additions, hasn't shackled the team with bad contracts, won 2 division titles, is well positioned to win a 3rd despite an entire rotation blowing up, and has done it without spending any prospect capital of note...

But he sucks because he didn't make deadline moves folks expected. Seems logically thought out...not at all moronic emotional overreactions....nah.
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I agree with you. But don't you think he should at least try Davidson and Muller? We know what we have in Erlin and Milone, which is not much.
 
bravesfanforlife88 said:
I'm not upset that AA didn't push all his chips into the middle. I am upset to not at least see some kind of upgrade in a rotation that only has 1 starter. A guy that couldn't hold a 10 run lead is not the answer IMO.

Yeah, you can spin it as, "we are still high on Folty/Newk/etc." or "oh Hamels may start 2-3 games in September"....

We needed someone to fill the void. There is no excuse to have not gone out and gotten 1 guy to fit into the rotation, unless it is payroll related. I'm assuming that was the case and he just doesn't want to say it. But at this point, it is what it is, and won't be changing...

If Folty is indeed back up to 94 MPH on his fastball, he needs to be up here starting over Erlin. If Newk is showing better command, he needs to be up here starting in place or Tomlin, or piggybacking with Tomlin.
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I don't disagree, and I am also disappointed AA didn't make meaningful additions, especially to the rotation.

However, these irrational posts claiming AA is now a bad GM are pure stupidity. AA is an excellent GM, and has made the Braves about as Dodgers-lite as can be reasonably expected.
 
MURF21 said:
I agree with you. But don't you think he should at least try Davidson and Muller? We know what we have in Erlin and Milone, which is not much.
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No idea. We have exactly zero visibility into what's happening at the other site. What if Davidson is walking 5 per 9 in these scrimmages? What if Muller can't throw anything but that new 98 mph FA? Do you have reports or info I haven't seen that makes you think they are better options? Or is it just because they are a new name?

It stands to reason that if those guys are performing better than Wilson and Wright and Folty and Touki, we will see them. It's not like the FO doesn't know about those guys, and they don't need to see what they have if they know it isn't better than other options. It's not like a guy is going to suck in these scrimmages and then suddenly get out MLB hitters.
 
Enscheff said:
No idea. We have exactly zero visibility into what's happening at the other site. What if Davidson is walking 5 per 9 in these scrimmages? What if Muller can't throw anything but that new 98 mph FA? Do you have reports or info I haven't seen that makes you think they are better options? Or is it just because they are a new name?

It stands to reason that if those guys are performing better than Wilson and Wright and Folty and Touki, we will see them. It's not like the FO doesn't know about those guys, and they don't need to see what they have if they know it isn't better than other options. It's not like a guy is going to suck in these scrimmages and then suddenly get out MLB hitters.
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So you're saying that we haven't seen these guys because they aren't better than Milone and Erlin?

I'm not disagreeing, because why would the Braves intentionally field an inferior roster. It's just sad.
 
CrazyTrain said:
So you're saying that we haven't seen these guys because they aren't better than Milone and Erlin?

I'm not disagreeing, because why would the Braves intentionally field an inferior roster. It's just sad.
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We've seen plenty of prospects rated higher than those guys be worse than Milone and Erlin...

Honestly, I'm not exactly sure how good folks expect the Braves #9 and #10 options at SP to be. They legitimately lost an entire MLB rotation. I mean, how many MLB SPs do you all expect AA to have on hand at any given time? We all realize MLB SPs don't just walk in off the street after AA puts an ad in the paper, right?
 
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zbhargrove said:
The problem is, our bullets keep getting weaker the more they sit on the shelf.
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The bullets actualize for better and worse. One of those bullets (Albies for Chris Sale)is the 6th most valuable trade asset in baseball. Fried is another (Realmuto trade) Now he’s a Cy Young candidate that the Braves could move him for multiple top prospects.

So sure the Braves missed out on selling high on Newcomb, Touki, and Wright, but the strategy is sound and has more than paid dividends.
 
I don't think anyone is asking for AA to "push his chips in" and trade Pache, Waters, Anderson and our other studs for risky prospects or short term deals.

It just sucks to see someone good and controllable like Clevinger go for middle system type of prospects, knowing that he fills the biggest need on the team. The Jays got Taijuan Walker for a PTBNL...

It seems like we are missing some low hanging fruit. I really hope it's a budget issue.
 
This is not a championship winnung team with Clevenger so no need to let Cleveland get the best out our best prospects. Soroka, Fried, Anderson needs to be the core of our rotation the next 3 or 4 years. We need Pache in our outfield not in the Indians. Good job AA. Win it all in 2021 or '22.
 
Heyward said:
AA's FA moves have been great. Hamels hasnt worked out and Will Smith hasnt looked so good now. But Shane Greene was awful to start with the Braves and hes been lights out since. I'd give Smith some more time to get going.

There's things to blame AA on, his FA moves are not one of them.

I do think he's going to need to be a little more aggressive on the trade front, and just going 1 year deals to FA's. But hard to really complain about his moves. I dont totally blame him for not going for it in this year.
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Nothing much wrong with Will Smith except he got covid.
 
VirginiaBrave said:
This is not a championship winnung team with Clevenger so no need to let Cleveland get the best out our best prospects. Soroka, Fried, Anderson needs to be the core of our rotation the next 3 or 4 years. We need Pache in our outfield not in the Indians. Good job AA. Win it all in 2021 or '22.
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Ultimately I agree that the Braves would have had to ride an enormous surge of luck to win this year no matter what they did.

If you discount the winning chance for this year there is little that they can do for next year that can't be done better and cheaper in December.

Possibly a lot cheaper.
 
I'll be curious what the long term plan is. Our financial situation is a bit unpredictable, but Ozuna, Hamels, Greene, Melancon, Flowers, and Markakis will be free agents. There is some value that might be retained in that group but it will lead to a lot of offseason decisions and options.
 
Coredor said:
I'll be curious what the long term plan is. Our financial situation is a bit unpredictable, but Ozuna, Hamels, Greene, Melancon, Flowers, and Markakis will be free agents. There is some value that might be retained in that group but it will lead to a lot of offseason decisions and options.
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Just need to wait to see what happens with Donaldson's suspension first.
 
CJ9 said:
Bowman wrote — with what I’m assuming was a straight face — that Clevinger would’ve cost Pache, Anderson AND possibly Waters. Hilarious.
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Pache BY HIMSELF would have been a big overpay. Waters alone would have been a slight overpay, but would have been on par. The total value of all players involved according to the trade simulator was just about the same value as Waters.
 
Enscheff said:
We've seen plenty of prospects rated higher than those guys be worse than Milone and Erlin...

Honestly, I'm not exactly sure how good folks expect the Braves #9 and #10 options at SP to be. They legitimately lost an entire MLB rotation. I mean, how many MLB SPs do you all expect AA to have on hand at any given time? We all realize MLB SPs don't just walk in off the street after AA puts an ad in the paper, right?
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You are totally right. I would absolutely love to see Wiegel also, but who knows....he might be struggling with his control.

I feel if there is ANY pitcher down there that they feel can help...they will bring him up. They already brought up our top pitching prospect, what would stop them from calling up any of the others.
 
Enscheff said:
This is the most factually inaccurate take I've seen...

AA's short term deals have been outstanding. JD was a stud. Ozuna is a stud. Flowers has been amazing. TDA has been amazing. Markakis has been a massive value this year. Literally the only sort term deal that hasn't worked out has been Hamels so far.

AA's plan is to supplement the home grown talent with impact MLB players on short term deals has been nothing short of extraordinary. The worst deal he has locked the Braves into was Will Smith, and that's nothing compared to the horrid deals most teams are carrying.

What in the world do folks expect from a mid-market payroll? I mean seriously....this is about as good as these resources could have been deployed.
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I was referencing the talent raised in the system and brought in via trade. Also, the refusal to move certain talent during a rebuild (not all AA's fault by any means) is now showing itself to be a major error. Take FF out of the conversation and focus exclusively on Teheran, Folty, Inciarte, etc. all were much more valuable when the rebuild was progressing as opposed to their value when the team was trying to contend. I'm certainly on record for that.

AA's short term FA signings have been good but are in the form of emergency fixes as opposed to long term building. And yes, as a GM I do expect that you get to that point at some point.

But I've said all along that if the Braves weren't careful they would short circuit the rebuild for marginal early success and never reach the critical mass necessary to explode into a year after year WS contender. Thank God for the miracle of the Swanson trade and the Wren signings (plus, credit where due, the extensions done by AA).

What you end up with is a team in baseball purgatory - not good enough to really win anything (meaning advance in the playoffs and see a period of time where they are true WS contenders - and don't give me the two division titles, The Braves aren't really contenders until they can advance past the first round of playoffs, something they haven't done in almost 20 years), not enough money to buy your way there and not enough viable minor league talent to grow everything you need and still add on the fly as a contender needs to be able to do.

I'm not mad they didn't do anything. I expected it.
 
TheBravos said:
Pache BY HIMSELF would have been a big overpay. Waters alone would have been a slight overpay, but would have been on par. The total value of all players involved according to the trade simulator was just about the same value as Waters.
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What is the trade simulator ?
 
Coredor said:
I'll be curious what the long term plan is. Our financial situation is a bit unpredictable, but Ozuna, Hamels, Greene, Melancon, Flowers, and Markakis will be free agents. There is some value that might be retained in that group but it will lead to a lot of offseason decisions and options.
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We do have alot of money off the books. I think we re-sign Greene, probably bring back Neck, Hamels walks but add a FA SP to replace him, Contreras replaces Flo, bring back Ozuna if the money is right and the DH is in play, let MM walk.
 
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