GDT: 11/3/20, Election Day, Donald J. Trump vs. Joseph R. Biden

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thethe said:
I’m reading that this doesn’t even mean that case has been settled just the relief prescribed so it’s still unclear whether or not this case will still be heard or potentially merged with the Texas case.
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The injunctive relief sought was so absurd they would not even consider it.
 
Dalyn said:
Even if this were true, I GUARANTEE you that the answer won't be to disenfranchise a ton more voters in response.
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We don’t even know if they are real voters. Chain of custody is sketchy in a lot of places and full audits are being refused. If the people of those states are mad they should be mad at their government for performing unconstitutional acts. The executives of these states knew exactly what they were doing.
 
If the PA case has any substantive merit, and I don't think it does, the relief that the courts will order will be in the form of asking the state government to redo some of its election procedures covering future elections. But it is obvious to anyone looking at this that the issue motivating these lawsuits is the fact that very poorly chosen one doesn't like the outcome. It is not motivated by legal defects in the PA elections. Notice how he is not concerned with any potential legal defects in states he won. That's kind of a giveaway.
 
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nsacpi said:
If the PA case has any substantive merit, and I don't think it does, the relief that the courts will order will be in the form of asking the state government to redo some of its election procedures covering future elections. But it is obvious to anyone looking at this that the issue motivating these lawsuits is the fact that very poorly chosen one doesn't like the outcome. It is not motivated by legal defects in the PA elections.
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Let’s ignore the hundreds of whistleblowers talking about all the shady things done on Election Day.

Let’s ignore an unprecedented stop of the votes on election night and then huge sets of data updated which share no resemblance to the sets before and after.

Let’s ignore the falsified stories of a pipe burst and then video footage of votes being counted with no supervision.


I never thought you would see it differently but all the data shows that this election was flat out stolen.
 
thethe said:
We don’t even know if they are real voters. Chain of custody is sketchy in a lot of places and full audits are being refused. If the people of those states are mad they should be mad at their government for performing unconstitutional acts. The executives of these states knew exactly what they were doing.
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It is a MUCH bigger problem if even one voter has their vote tossed because of something some politician did that the voter had absolutely nothing to do with. If there is a problem with the way they are doing it, that should be addressed and changed before the next election. Hell, there was plenty of time BEFORE the election, but no one cared until Trump lost.
 
So what we are seeing is an attempt to overturn constitutional democracy because a candidate is unhappy with the outcome. It is a shameful thing to do. Shameful and anti-democratic.

I'm not surprised by any of it given very poorly chosen one's track record. Nor am I surprised that most of his supporters are untroubled by it. For whatever reason, most of them are happy to look the other way on his racism, misogyny and xenophobia. So it is not surprising that they look the other way or defend him when he attacks constitutional democracy.
 
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thethe said:
Let’s ignore the hundreds of whistleblowers talking about all the shady things done on Election Day.

Let’s ignore an unprecedented stop of the votes on election night and then huge sets of data updated which share no resemblance to the sets before and after.

Let’s ignore the falsified stories of a pipe burst and then video footage of votes being counted with no supervision.


I never thought you would see it differently but all the data shows that this election was flat out stolen.
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the judges aint buying any of it...what can i say
 
nsacpi said:
So what we are seeing is an attempt to overturn constitutional democracy because a candidate is unhappy with the outcome.
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What we actually saw was a collection of states trying to illegally change their laws to facilitate their preferred candidate win.
 
Dalyn said:
It is a MUCH bigger problem if even one voter has their vote tossed because of something some politician did that the voter had absolutely nothing to do with. If there is a problem with the way they are doing it, that should be addressed and changed before the next election. Hell, there was plenty of time BEFORE the election, but no one cared until Trump lost.
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Nobody knew this was happening. The state legislators were completely cut out of the process. That is illegal.

You wouldn’t let a bank robber get off if he was successful.
 
Dalyn said:
If he was successful, there wouldn't be anyone to "get off."
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There Is security footage. There are witnesses giving police a description.

We are currently at the point where the robber made it into the getaway car.
 
https://www.npr.org/2020/12/08/944230517/supreme-court-rejects-gop-bid-to-reverse-pennsylvania-election-results?utm_campaign=npr&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews&fbclid=IwAR2VoZ1JxLk-N7QdsC-8XDbkfWLSJSkAx-SclJ795yJhMggxEIzwX97bZ28

"The Supreme Court Tuesday rejected an effort to overturn the results of the presidential election in Pennsylvania, signaling that the high court would not go along with President Trump's unprecedented efforts to win another term despite a decisive popular vote and Electoral College defeat."
 
thethe said:
There Is security footage. There are witnesses giving police a description.

We are currently at the point where the robber made it into the getaway car.
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This is a poor comparison. Your team isn't even arguing fraud (not where it counts). They are trying to get actual votes overturned on what basically boils down to a technicality, at this point.
 
"The lawyers representing Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Wolf's administration have said Kelly's claims that Act 77, which enables voters to cast ballots by mail for any reason, is unconstitutional is baseless.

"After waiting over a year to challenge Act 77, and engaging in procedural gamesmanship along the way, they come to this Court with unclean hands and ask it to disenfranchise an entire state," they wrote. "They make that request without any acknowledgment of the staggering upheaval, turmoil, and acrimony it would unleash."

The law was passed in 2019 with widespread support from Pennsylvania Republicans, who control both chambers of the state's legislature."
 
Dalyn said:
https://www.npr.org/2020/12/08/944230517/supreme-court-rejects-gop-bid-to-reverse-pennsylvania-election-results?utm_campaign=npr&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews&fbclid=IwAR2VoZ1JxLk-N7QdsC-8XDbkfWLSJSkAx-SclJ795yJhMggxEIzwX97bZ28

"The Supreme Court Tuesday rejected an effort to overturn the results of the presidential election in Pennsylvania, signaling that the high court would not go along with President Trump's unprecedented efforts to win another term despite a decisive popular vote and Electoral College defeat."
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This is not what happened. Only the injunction was denied.
 
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