cajunrevenge
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From what I see from Trumplania they think Trumps "concession" speech was a deepfake.
GDT: 11/3/20, Election Day, Donald J. Trump vs. Joseph R. Biden
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cajunrevenge
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Dont forget Sessions memo to federal prosecutors telling them to use every tool available to investigate and prosecute violent criminals. Speaking of Reek, I wonder what his thoughts are on the last 2 months.
goldfly
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Some among America's military allies believe Trump deliberately attempted a coup and may have had help from federal law-enforcement officials
The supporters of President Donald Trump who stormed the Capitol on Wednesday to stop the ratification of President-elect Joe Biden's election victory were attempting a violent coup that multiple European security officials said appeared to have at least tacit support from aspects of the US federal agencies responsible for securing the Capitol complex.
Insider spoke with three officials on Thursday morning: a French police official responsible for public security in a key section of central Paris, and two intelligence officials from NATO countries who directly work in counterterrorism and counterintelligence operations involving the US, terrorism, and Russia.
They said the circumstantial evidence available pointed to what would be openly called a coup attempt in any other nation. None were willing to speak on the record because of the dire nature of the subject.
While they did not furnish evidence that federal agency officials facilitated the chaos, Insider is reporting this information because it illustrates the scale and seriousness of Wednesday's events: America's international military and security allies are now willing to give serious credence to the idea that Trump deliberately tried to violently overturn an election and that some federal law-enforcement agents — by omission or otherwise — facilitated the attempt.
One NATO source set the stage, using terms more commonly used to describe unrest in developing countries.
"The defeated president gives a speech to a group of supporters where he tells them he was robbed of the election, denounces his own administration's members and party as traitors, and tells his supporters to storm the building where the voting is being held," the NATO intelligence official said.
"The supporters, many dressed in military attire and waving revolutionary-style flags, then storm the building where the federal law-enforcement agencies controlled by the current president do not establish a security cordon, and the protesters quickly overwhelm the last line of police.
"The president then makes a public statement to the supporters attacking the Capitol that he loves them but doesn't really tell them to stop," the official said. "Today I am briefing my government that we believe with a reasonable level of certainty that Donald Trump attempted a coup that failed when the system did not buckle.
"I can't believe this happened."
The French police official said they believed that an investigation would find that someone interfered with the deployment of additional federal law-enforcement officials on the perimeter of the Capitol complex; the official has direct knowledge of the proper procedures for security of the facility.
The security of Congress is entrusted to the US Capitol Police, a federal agency that answers to Congress.
It is routine for the Capitol Police to coordinate with the federal Secret Service and the Park Police and local police in Washington, DC, before large demonstrations. The National Guard, commanded by the Department of Defense, is often on standby too.
On Wednesday, however, that coordination was late or absent.
"You cannot tell me I don't know what they should have done. I can fly to Washington tomorrow and do that job, just as any police official in Washington can fly to Paris and do mine," the official said. The official directs public security in a central Paris police district filled with government buildings and tourist sites.
"These are not subtle principles" for managing demonstrations, "and they transfer to every situation," the official said. "This is why we train alongside the US federal law enforcement to handle these very matters, and it's obvious that large parts of any successful plan were just ignored."
The National Guard, which was deployed heavily to quell the Black Lives Matter protests in 2020, did not show up to assist the police until two hours after the action started on Wednesday, according to The Associated Press.
One video appeared to show some police officers opening a barrier to allow a group of protesters to get closer to the Capitol dome. Another video showed a police officer allowing a rioter to take a selfie with him inside the Capitol while protesters milled around the building unchecked.
Kim Dine, who was the chief of the Capitol Police from 2012 to 2016, told The Washington Post that he was surprised that the Capitol Police allowed demonstrators on the steps of the Capitol. He said he was also mystified that few rioters were arrested on the spot.
Larry Schaefer, who worked for the Capitol Police for more than 30 years, told ProPublica something similar: "We have a planned, known demonstration that has a propensity for violence in the past and threats to carry weapons — why would you not prepare yourself as we have done in the past?"
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The third official, who works in counterintelligence for a NATO member, agreed that the situation could only be seen as a coup attempt, no matter how poorly considered and likely to fail, and said its implications might be too huge to immediately fathom.
"Thank God it didn't work, because I can't imagine how hard it would be to sanction the US financial system," the official said. By sanctions, he means the imposition of the diplomatic, military, and trade blockages that democratic nations usually reserve for dictatorships.
"The broader damage around the world will be extensive in terms of reputation, and that's why Putin doesn't mind at all that Trump lost. He's got to be happy to take his chips and count his winnings, which from the Trump era will be a shockingly quick decline in American prestige and moral high ground.
"Every moment the Americans spend on their own self-inflicted chaos helps China, it helps Putin, and, to a lesser extent, it helps the mini-dictators like [Turkish President Recep Tayyip] Erdogan and [Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor] Orban, who breathe cynicism about politics, human rights, and democracy as their air," the official said. "They won't miss Trump; they'll be glad to see his drama leave so they can enjoy the poisoned political climate."
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-attempted-coup-federal-law-enforcement-capitol-police-2021-1
The supporters of President Donald Trump who stormed the Capitol on Wednesday to stop the ratification of President-elect Joe Biden's election victory were attempting a violent coup that multiple European security officials said appeared to have at least tacit support from aspects of the US federal agencies responsible for securing the Capitol complex.
Insider spoke with three officials on Thursday morning: a French police official responsible for public security in a key section of central Paris, and two intelligence officials from NATO countries who directly work in counterterrorism and counterintelligence operations involving the US, terrorism, and Russia.
They said the circumstantial evidence available pointed to what would be openly called a coup attempt in any other nation. None were willing to speak on the record because of the dire nature of the subject.
While they did not furnish evidence that federal agency officials facilitated the chaos, Insider is reporting this information because it illustrates the scale and seriousness of Wednesday's events: America's international military and security allies are now willing to give serious credence to the idea that Trump deliberately tried to violently overturn an election and that some federal law-enforcement agents — by omission or otherwise — facilitated the attempt.
One NATO source set the stage, using terms more commonly used to describe unrest in developing countries.
"The defeated president gives a speech to a group of supporters where he tells them he was robbed of the election, denounces his own administration's members and party as traitors, and tells his supporters to storm the building where the voting is being held," the NATO intelligence official said.
"The supporters, many dressed in military attire and waving revolutionary-style flags, then storm the building where the federal law-enforcement agencies controlled by the current president do not establish a security cordon, and the protesters quickly overwhelm the last line of police.
"The president then makes a public statement to the supporters attacking the Capitol that he loves them but doesn't really tell them to stop," the official said. "Today I am briefing my government that we believe with a reasonable level of certainty that Donald Trump attempted a coup that failed when the system did not buckle.
"I can't believe this happened."
The French police official said they believed that an investigation would find that someone interfered with the deployment of additional federal law-enforcement officials on the perimeter of the Capitol complex; the official has direct knowledge of the proper procedures for security of the facility.
The security of Congress is entrusted to the US Capitol Police, a federal agency that answers to Congress.
It is routine for the Capitol Police to coordinate with the federal Secret Service and the Park Police and local police in Washington, DC, before large demonstrations. The National Guard, commanded by the Department of Defense, is often on standby too.
On Wednesday, however, that coordination was late or absent.
"You cannot tell me I don't know what they should have done. I can fly to Washington tomorrow and do that job, just as any police official in Washington can fly to Paris and do mine," the official said. The official directs public security in a central Paris police district filled with government buildings and tourist sites.
"These are not subtle principles" for managing demonstrations, "and they transfer to every situation," the official said. "This is why we train alongside the US federal law enforcement to handle these very matters, and it's obvious that large parts of any successful plan were just ignored."
The National Guard, which was deployed heavily to quell the Black Lives Matter protests in 2020, did not show up to assist the police until two hours after the action started on Wednesday, according to The Associated Press.
One video appeared to show some police officers opening a barrier to allow a group of protesters to get closer to the Capitol dome. Another video showed a police officer allowing a rioter to take a selfie with him inside the Capitol while protesters milled around the building unchecked.
Kim Dine, who was the chief of the Capitol Police from 2012 to 2016, told The Washington Post that he was surprised that the Capitol Police allowed demonstrators on the steps of the Capitol. He said he was also mystified that few rioters were arrested on the spot.
Larry Schaefer, who worked for the Capitol Police for more than 30 years, told ProPublica something similar: "We have a planned, known demonstration that has a propensity for violence in the past and threats to carry weapons — why would you not prepare yourself as we have done in the past?"
....
The third official, who works in counterintelligence for a NATO member, agreed that the situation could only be seen as a coup attempt, no matter how poorly considered and likely to fail, and said its implications might be too huge to immediately fathom.
"Thank God it didn't work, because I can't imagine how hard it would be to sanction the US financial system," the official said. By sanctions, he means the imposition of the diplomatic, military, and trade blockages that democratic nations usually reserve for dictatorships.
"The broader damage around the world will be extensive in terms of reputation, and that's why Putin doesn't mind at all that Trump lost. He's got to be happy to take his chips and count his winnings, which from the Trump era will be a shockingly quick decline in American prestige and moral high ground.
"Every moment the Americans spend on their own self-inflicted chaos helps China, it helps Putin, and, to a lesser extent, it helps the mini-dictators like [Turkish President Recep Tayyip] Erdogan and [Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor] Orban, who breathe cynicism about politics, human rights, and democracy as their air," the official said. "They won't miss Trump; they'll be glad to see his drama leave so they can enjoy the poisoned political climate."
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-attempted-coup-federal-law-enforcement-capitol-police-2021-1
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
Again, Mayor Bowser signed the order to keep additional federal forces and troops out of DC. The same mayor that trolled every non woke American by painting the name of a racist and Marxist organization on the street right outside the White House.
So when you read this reporting that is either propaganda or absurd, realize that their assertion requires that Bowser was on board with the "coup attempt." Realize when they make their little dishonest barbs that imply the National Guard wasn't deployed like it was for BLM because racism, that they know Bowser is the reason the National Guard wasn't there. They think you're either ignorant enough to believe it..or will fall for it for some other reason.
So when you read this reporting that is either propaganda or absurd, realize that their assertion requires that Bowser was on board with the "coup attempt." Realize when they make their little dishonest barbs that imply the National Guard wasn't deployed like it was for BLM because racism, that they know Bowser is the reason the National Guard wasn't there. They think you're either ignorant enough to believe it..or will fall for it for some other reason.
57Brave
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Zack Beauchamp
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The more reporting we hear, the more it seems like Trump
saw the mob as a part of his *strategy* for overturning the election
https://nytimes.com/2021/01/07/us/politics/trump-leave-office-resignation.html
nsacpi
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looked like a hostage video to me...seriously
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Mayor of DC has no control over capitol grounds.
But believe your conspiracy theory, even if Mayor Bowser put in a request for National Guard support and got it So why didn't the Capitol Police Board?
https://apnews.com/article/joe-bide...uriel-bowser-1634bf71a27de48efef3cd1e6ed4abe4
And incase you didn't notice, yes Capitol Police is different than DC Metro
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Capitol_Police
So yeah, blame someone who has nothing to do with it because she has a D next to her name.
striker42
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One thing people forget about the first days of BLM protests last summer is the fact that the National Guard wasn't called out preemptively. The National Guard wasn't called out until protests turned into riots. Atlanta is a good example. The initial protests were peaceful and fine. Then that one night they turned into riots with morons breaking into malls and looting high end stores. It wasn't until that happened that the National Guard was called out.
The same happened here. Trump rallies and protests have largely been peaceful. Even the mayor of DC didn't expect this to turn violent. I actually think her decision not to invite in federal officers was reasonable. The confusion of coordinating different agencies could lead to issues. It was a legitimate concern. There was no reason to call out the National Guard preemptively. Then things turned violent and now the National Guard has to be on alert.
Trump rallies should now be subjected to the same precautions that BLM protests were subjected to after they turned violent last summer.
The same happened here. Trump rallies and protests have largely been peaceful. Even the mayor of DC didn't expect this to turn violent. I actually think her decision not to invite in federal officers was reasonable. The confusion of coordinating different agencies could lead to issues. It was a legitimate concern. There was no reason to call out the National Guard preemptively. Then things turned violent and now the National Guard has to be on alert.
Trump rallies should now be subjected to the same precautions that BLM protests were subjected to after they turned violent last summer.
striker42
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The riot didn't start at the Capitol. Unless I'm mistaken, the rally that Trump attended was DC police's jurisdiction. A stronger presence there might have prevented things from getting out of hand in the first place.
But like I said, I don't think her decision was unreasonable. These rallies don't have a history of turning into riots so calling in the big guns preemptively was unjustified.
I think the biggest failure is just how unprepared the Capitol Police were for a riot. This exposed the fact that the Capitol needs stronger security on an every day basis.
nsacpi
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The other factor is by long training governments know that the executive branch is typically the target for "decapitation" plots and is the one that needs extensive security and protection. Even though in retrospect we should have seen it coming it didn't occur to anyone that the executive branch would incite a mob against the legislative branch. That is so far outside our experience no one contemplated the possibility.
striker42
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Zack Beauchamp
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The more reporting we hear, the more it seems like Trump
saw the mob as a part of his *strategy* for overturning the election
https://nytimes.com/2021/01/07/us/politics/trump-leave-office-resignation.html
I think saying the mob was part of Trump's strategy is giving Trump too much credit. I think he didn't care if there was violence when he gave the speech. When the riot broke out he saw his "enemies" fleeing in the face of his supporters and that no doubt stroked his ego. It's what you get with a narcissist.
Tapate50
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Zack Beauchamp
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The more reporting we hear, the more it seems like Trump
saw the mob as a part of his *strategy* for overturning the election
https://nytimes.com/2021/01/07/us/politics/trump-leave-office-resignation.html
Whoever you are quoting “” the wrong words.
It should be “reporting” and strategy. Not the other way around
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
i agree...both very poorly chosen one and his mob think with their glands...none of them have a cerebral bone in their body...there is no strategy...they make stuff up as they go along...chaos is their thing
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
What could she have done? Arrest people before they committed a crime?
Dont' be obtuse, she did call in for National Guard support to bolster the DC METRO police. Capitol Police Board did not call for reinforcements and failed at their job.
Short of again, arresting them for not committing a crime (they didn't commit a crime in a place Mayor Bowser had jurisdiction) that she did anything wrong, there were no major incidents in DC proper, just in Trumptards storming the Capitol.
So again, how did Mayor Bowser do anything wrong but have a D next to her name?
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