Looking Ahead - The 2020 Offseason Thread

Camargo has 2 option years remaining, which is something I did not know.

As things currently stand, and assuming Ender is still a MLB caliber CF, I think my preference would be:

BN1 backup catcher
BN2 Lamb
BN3 Heredia
BN4 Kipnis
BN5 backup SS and/or RHH

AAA Pache
AAA Camargo
 
Enscheff said:
Camargo has 2 option years remaining, which is something I did not know.
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As things currently stand, and assuming Ender is still a MLB caliber CF, I think my preference would be:

BN1 backup catcher
BN2 Lamb
BN3 Heredia
BN4 Kipnis
BN5 backup SS and/or RHH

AAA Pache
AAA Camargo
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Barring any other transactions, I'd guess BN1 to be Alex Jackson, and BN5 to be Camargo.
 
I feel like if we look at the OF moves we’ve made it should tell us that we’re setting ourselves up to have a Waters Pache Acuna outfield in 2022 at the latest.
 
Slippyjms said:
I feel like if we look at the OF moves we’ve made it should tell us that we’re setting ourselves up to have a Waters Pache Acuna outfield in 2022 at the latest.
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You're going to have to explain this, because I'm not sure how any of "the OF moves we've made" tell us anything about Drew Waters, one way or the other. I think all we can really glean from those aforesaid OF moves is that: (a) Anthopoulos doesn't expect there to be a DH in the 2021 NL, after all, and (b) Anthopoulos expects Inciarte to show enough bare-minimum athleticism in ST to hold down the CF fort for the first month, platooning with someone like Heredia, and thereby buying another year of pre-FA Pache.
 
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jpx7 said:
You're going to have to explain this, because I'm not sure how any of "the OF moves we've made" tell us anything about Drew Waters, one way or the other. I think all we can really glean from those aforesaid OF moves is that: (a) Anthopoulos doesn't expect there to be a DH in the 2021 NL, after all, and (b) Anthopoulos expects Inciarte to show enough bare-minimum athleticism in ST to hold down the CF fort for the first month, platooning with someone like Heredia, and thereby buying another year of pre-FA Pache.
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Think you have to go one step further and say the OF competition is wide-open.

TBH, it's pretty hard to say any of the pickups tell us ANYTHING. The hodgepodge of guys "could" pave the way to Pache being sent down to start the season, but given the warts they all have there's a legitimate chance that Pache and Waters look so much better than every OF in camp not named Acuna, Ozuna, or Riley that they win jobs.
 
clvclv said:
Think you have to go one step further and say the OF competition is wide-open.

TBH, it's pretty hard to say any of the pickups tell us ANYTHING. The hodgepodge of guys "could" pave the way to Pache being sent down to start the season, but given the warts they all have there's a legitimate chance that Pache and Waters look so much better than every OF in camp not named Acuna, Ozuna, or Riley that they win jobs.
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I don't think I have to take that step, at all.

In fact, I'm going to take a step in the other direction and say—barring injuries to multiple OFs—there's no way we see Waters break with the major-league team, and only the smallest of chances we see him in Cobb County at any point in 2021. I'm not as low on him as some, but his underlying numbers in AAA in 2019 were pretty damn terrible, and it seems heinous not to give him another full year there to see if he can work towards actually showcasing any plate-discipline.

In further fact, I'd say it's about 100x likelier we see Braden Shewmake break camp with the bigboy Braves than Drew Waters.
 
jpx7 said:
I don't think I have to take that step, at all.

In fact, I'm going to take a step in the other direction and say—barring injuries to multiple OFs—there's no way we see Waters break with the major-league team, and only the smallest of chances we see him in Cobb County at any point in 2021. I'm not as low on him as some, but his underlying numbers in AAA in 2019 were pretty damn terrible, and it seems heinous not to give him another full year there to see if he can work towards actually showcasing any plate-discipline.

In further fact, I'd say it's about 100x likelier we see Braden Shewmake break camp with the bigboy Braves than Drew Waters.
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Are talking about Shewmake for opening day this year?
 
Enscheff said:
Are talking about Shewmake for opening day this year?
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I don't think so. But IF Swanson went down for more than a week, it wouldn't shock me if they called him up to play. They don't have a legit SS option and I doubt they make a trade unless there is a Hech type available for nothing.

Waters could be on the team before the end of the year too. He could come up with roster expansion or for playoffs. If they add the DH last minute, then I could see him coming up to play LF at some point. But Waters is going to have to hit in AAA and not K so much for him to see any time in MLB.

If Swanson had to sit for two weeks to start the season, like the catchers had to last year, I could see Shewmake starting at SS. If we had an OF out for 2 weeks I couldn't see Waters starting opening day. So in that sense, I'd agree.
 
jpx7 said:
I’m just saying it’s more likely than Waters starting 2021 in Cobb Coubty, not that’s it’s isolatedly likely, or otherwise wise.
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Waters definitely could see some action this year depending on how things shake out here and how he fairs in AAA. But overall I agree. He'd have to really perform well at AAA
 
jpx7 said:
You're going to have to explain this, because I'm not sure how any of "the OF moves we've made" tell us anything about Drew Waters, one way or the other. I think all we can really glean from those aforesaid OF moves is that: (a) Anthopoulos doesn't expect there to be a DH in the 2021 NL, after all, and (b) Anthopoulos expects Inciarte to show enough bare-minimum athleticism in ST to hold down the CF fort for the first month, platooning with someone like Heredia, and thereby buying another year of pre-FA Pache.
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Everything you said there is true. As of now there is really no OF on the roster blocking Pache’s path to playing time. And looking to 2022 when we expect to be able to move Ozuna to DH there will be no OF on the roster blocking Waters path to playing time.
 
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