Religious Right in Arizona Cheer bill that allows them to not act like Jesus would...

BedellBrave said:
First, "Science says" is silly. Science isn't a monolithic, lock-stepped, united at all points, saying the same thing, entity. And saying "Science says" is just a power-play trick.

Second, the science isn't settled and to say that it is is either to speak from ignorance or is intentionally misleading. Different theories point to genetics, environment, choice or a combination.
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Very well said.
 
The business should do what they did to me since they didn't want blacks in their establishment, serve them in a schitty way.

I won't back to the business because they did it on purpose.

Make a schitty cake.
Take schitty pictures.

There are things you can do to discourage people from coming to your business and that is why there is a sign that they can refuse serving you no matter the reason.

You might lose a few customers but it is better than being in the spotlight.

Did I run to the ACLU or call NAACP? Hell naw, what good would that do?
 
Oklahomahawk said:
Hey dude, I sent you a Facebook message to check and make sure the blizzard didn't get you guys!
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sorry about that.

I check facebook maybe once every couple of weeks. Better hit my wife with a message, she is on it all the time talking to her family and friends.

As for the blizzard, we only got 8 inches but blowing was horrible and snow plowing was not fun when you do it three times in one night. Right now I can't open my deck door, the snow is above my middle daughters head, around 45 inches.

I ended up in the ditch twice as well. The ribbing I get at work is hilarious.
 
BedellBrave said:
First, "Science says" is silly. Science isn't a monolithic, lock-stepped, united at all points, saying the same thing, entity. And saying "Science says" is just a power-play trick.

Second, the science isn't settled and to say that it is is either to speak from ignorance or is intentionally misleading. Different theories point to genetics, environment, choice or a combination.
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i wouldn't have gone his route cause it left you too much to open up for "debate"

but just observing nature, there is homosexuality in a lot, if not most, of the species on the planet

it is silly to entertain the thought that it is a choice
 
maybe, maybe not

but i won't entertain the thoughts of people arguing to treat people as 2nd class citizens

they will eventually lose this battle, just like the religious people that argued that black people weren't equal, that white and black people shouldn't marry, that jim crow laws were a good thing etc etc etc

i won't move from being right on an issue to entertain the thought of hatred from people that say they follow the teachings of Jesus Christ
 
I'll just say this: you can only compromise with someone that you disagree with if you accept an understanding of their position -- ignorant, hurtful, or foolhardy as it may be. And compromise is the only way we are ever going to achieve peace and mutual understanding for the LGBT community. Infusing more stubborn hatred and finger pointing into the equation is a fruitless approach.
 
Hawk said:
I'll just say this: you can only compromise with someone that you disagree with if you accept an understanding of their position -- ignorant, hurtful, or foolhardy as it may be. And compromise is the only way we are ever going to achieve peace and mutual understanding for the LGBT community. Infusing more stubborn hatred and finger pointing into the equation is a fruitless approach.
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i understand their position and have no problem of them having that dumb belief in their personal life

but to advocate compromising to allow their religious beliefs to enter into our society that shouldn't recognize their religious beliefs is absurd
 
goldfly said:
i understand their position and have no problem of them having that dumb belief in their personal life

but to advocate compromising to allow their religious beliefs to enter into our society that shouldn't recognize their religious beliefs is absurd
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The dumb belief that homosexuality is a sin? The dumb belief that homosexuality is a choice? The dumb belief that marriage should only be between a man and a woman?

It's no longer a black and white issue. Homosexual couples (and singles) are welcome at some Christian churches, *** adoption is allowed, significant progress has been made on *** rights and marriage, etc. et al.

There has been compromise already, my friend.

Ever seen the 'Coexist' bumper sticker?
 
Hawk said:
The dumb belief that homosexuality is a sin? The dumb belief that homosexuality is a choice? The dumb belief that marriage should only be between a man and a woman?

It's no longer a black and white issue. Homosexual couples (and singles) are welcome at some Christian churches, *** adoption is allowed, significant progress has been made on *** rights and marriage, etc. et al.

There has been compromise already, my friend.

Ever seen the 'Coexist' bumper sticker?
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They want full acceptance.

They won't get it, just like there are some whites, some blacks, some Muslims, some Christians, some of any walk of life will not accept some things in life. It is not dumb, it is human nature and it is in all of us. The problem is that some people can't accept even that, they want people to accept them no matter what. I can accept racism towards me, that is on that person. I am no better than they are as I harbor my own.
 
goldfly said:
1. i wouldn't have gone his route cause it left you too much to open up for "debate"

2. but just observing nature, there is homosexuality in a lot, if not most, of the species on the planet

3. it is silly to entertain the thought that it is a choice
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1. I've got no problem going this route.

2. Which adds nothing to my point.

3. It is only silly if you are narrow-minded.
 
BedellBrave said:
1. I've got no problem going this route.

2. Which adds nothing to my point.

3. It is only silly if you are narrow-minded.
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i wasn't trying to add to your point

i could be a lot of things but i am a very open minded person
 
goldfly said:
maybe, maybe not

but i won't entertain the thoughts of people arguing to treat people as 2nd class citizens

they will eventually lose this battle, just like the religious people that argued that black people weren't equal, that white and black people shouldn't marry, that jim crow laws were a good thing etc etc etc

i won't move from being right on an issue to entertain the thought of hatred from people that say they follow the teachings of Jesus Christ
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^^^ Mr. Expert on the teachings of Jesus. :roll:
 
Hawk said:
The dumb belief that homosexuality is a sin? The dumb belief that homosexuality is a choice? The dumb belief that marriage should only be between a man and a woman?

It's no longer a black and white issue. Homosexual couples (and singles) are welcome at some Christian churches, *** adoption is allowed, significant progress has been made on *** rights and marriage, etc. et al.

There has been compromise already, my friend.

Ever seen the 'Coexist' bumper sticker?
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none of that has to do with the law of society
 
BedellBrave said:
^^^ Mr. Expert on the teachings of Jesus. :roll:
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60% of my life being taught it

but hey, go down that road if you want

but i am fairly certain that Jesus, the one that hung out with whores etc, wouldn't advocate a law that says "we don't like how you live so we will treat you like a 2nd class citizen"

It would seem he would open up to allow them in and try to teach his ways

but hey, what do i know. this is 100% speculation

2nd edit: i wouldn't call myself an expert
 
goldfly said:
i wasn't trying to add to your point

i could be a lot of things but i am a very open minded person
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Then try this idea on for size - there actually could be someone who has made a choice to engage in sexual relations with people of their own sex.
 
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