Spread on its face has nothing to do with deaths.
The Coronavirus, not the beer
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Spread on its face has nothing to do with deaths.
Again - Spread on its face has absolutely nothing to do with deaths.
They ignore people like Fauchi (with no cameras on) or MIchael Osterholm or lab studies showing cloth masks do nothing to stop aerosol particles.
Its a religion to them.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Yes. Even though North and South Dakota are very similar, this is just one observation. There is always the possibility there are some other factors driving the difference in results after the mandate.
So this comparison needs to be augmented by a bunch of other comparisons of other jurisdictions that are otherwise similar. For example, three neighboring counties in Arizona, one with a mask mandate and the other two without. Or two neighboring school districts near Houston, one that requires students to wear masks and the other does not. Repeat these comparisons many times and you start to get to the truth.
Infection curves are similar enough to show masks are worthless.
You then revert to deaths thinking this has any value at all and thats very telling.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
In the case of the Dakotas, both deaths and cases dropped more in North Dakota after their governor imposed a mask mandate. They moved in the same direction. Bigly.
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Lets ignore the peak for North Dakota was greater so its easier to 'drop more' despite the fact it was just the natural progression of the virus IN EVERY SINGLE PLACE IN THE WORLD> SD dropped at the same time ND dropped. How do you figure that?
All these graphs looks the same nsacpi.
Just putting this on this page so we don't have to go back one.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Evidence for the efficacy of masks comes both from laboratory studies and real-world scenarios. For example, one recent laboratory experiment used a laser-light-scattering methodology to visualize respiratory droplets generated while subjects repeated the phrase “stay healthy.” While each utterance generated hundreds of droplets ranging in size from 20 to 500 micrometers, the researchers showed that covering the speaker’s mouth with a damp washcloth blocked nearly all of them.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2007800
HAHAHA - Always goes back to this.
How about the studies which show that the majority of the spread is due to non-droplet aerosol?
I've called this out from day 1. If you're sick stay home and wear a mask.
If you aren't the MASKS DO NOTHING.
But hey - Just ignore what Fauchi said behind closed doors or Osterholm.
NSACPI knows better!
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
People were dying off at the same rate before the mandate.
Anyhow, I thank you for the very valuable if inadvertent sharing of an informative graph on the Dakotas. Sometimes our best deeds in life are unintentional. I still give you full credit!
Ah - This is when he bows out.
Infections on their face have NOTHING to do with deaths.
One area imposed a mask mandate while the other didn't. The infection curves follow the SAME EXACT PATTERN.
sturg33
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When you spend a year and a half lecturing folks that masks are a huge differentiator - and even once went along with the double masking call lol - you are not going to concede now
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Yes. They are very similar states. So the curves are very similar. That shows that the other factors driving cases in the two Dakotas were very similar.
In general though the black line (North Dakota) tends to be slightly higher than the lighter line. Except for the period during and right after the mask mandates.
I agree though that the cases data can be an artifact of things such as the availability of testing. I would rely more on the deaths and hospitalizations data to evaluate the efficacy of any intervention. 44% reduction in deaths compared to South Dakota is a big number. Yuge even. When I did a similar comparison of the 3 Arizona counties I got something like a 30% reduction in deaths in the county requiring masks relative to the other two. Also a yuge number. But that's just two observations.
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Of course its going to be below - They had higher infections than SD prior ot the mask mandate.
We are working with populations without replacement.
Use your math skills nsacpi. This isn't hard.
