DirkPiggler
Well-known member
According to one of the writers on Twitter (can't remember which) it will buy out two years of FA.
1 pre-arb
3 arb
2 FA
1 pre-arb
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2 FA
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Depends if that 6 year deal includes 2014 or not. But I doubt it is or his FA years would be absurdly cheap.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
You are right. He has had 2 years of service time and is not a super 2 player. He will (would) make league minimum or so this year and have 3 more years before going to FA. 6/55 seems like a really good deal for the Cards. If Carpenter plays anywhere close to what he did in 2013 he will be a super bargain.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
I guess getting people to call him Ollie and throwing together a not-terrible year made everyone (or at least the Diamondbacks) forget he is still actually Oliver Perez.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
@Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: Ervin Santana now seeking a one-year deal, and wants to sign as quickly as possible.
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 6m
Sources add: Santana wants to sign with a strong offensive club. Both #BlueJays and #Orioles fit that description and have shown interest.
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 7m
Santana unwilling to wait on 1-yr deal, even though he would be exempt from ’14 qualifying offer after Opening Day. Wants to be in camp now.
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 6m
Sources add: Santana wants to sign with a strong offensive club. Both #BlueJays and #Orioles fit that description and have shown interest.
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 7m
Santana unwilling to wait on 1-yr deal, even though he would be exempt from ’14 qualifying offer after Opening Day. Wants to be in camp now.
TURBO
Sexist Pig
agreed
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
For 1 year while costing a pick?
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
Yes. Would first check to see if he is desperate enough to agree to a friendly team option for a second year.
Losing a draft pick to get Santana wouldn't be that smart for the Braves.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
I didn't expect you to think any different.
AUTiger7222
Called Up to the Major Leagues
That's because Ervin Santana just isn't that good. He's had 2 good years out of 7 or 8 that he's been in the majors and 3 flat out horrible years.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
What 3 years were flat out horrible? He has 3 seasons with a FIP over 5, and 2 of those were in a more offensive era. His only truly awful season was 2012.
Santana is a solid 2-3 WAR pitcher. I wouldn't give up a pick for him, but we could probably do a sign and trade with KC where we give them a few middling prospects.
AUTiger7222
Called Up to the Major Leagues
So having a FIP over 5 in 3 different seasons doesn't qualify as having 3 seasons that were flat out horrible? Having only 2 years with a FIP under 4 makes him a solid pitcher?
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Yes he is solid.
You have to remember that pre-2010 and post 2010 have different standards for pitching. Or maybe it was 2009.
Santana's fWAR by season were 1.7, 3.3, 1.1, 6.0, 1.1, 1.9, 2.6, -1.0, 3.0
His career ERA- is 100 which means he's exactly average, averages about 6.1 IP per start for his career as well. I'd call that solid. Being average and one of the better inning eaters.
AUTiger7222
Called Up to the Major Leagues
I don't consider being a league average pitcher as "solid". We clearly have different definitions on that. To be solid as anyone who routinely carries around a FIP of 4 and below with the great ones being a 3.5 and below. But you are right about 2010 being the year where offense took a nosedive.
MLB average for runs scored and runs per game.
2013 - 675 (4.16)
2012 - 701 (4.32)
2011 - 694 (4.28)
2010 - 710 (4.38)
2009 - 747 (4.61)
2008 - 753 (4.64)
2007 - 777 (4.79)
2006 - 787 (4.85)
2005 - 744 (4.59)
2004 - 779 (4.80)
