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Hawk said:
Palin's from PPP, Obama's from Gallup.

It's not empirical, but I think the argument can be easily made that Palin's stock is going up while Obama's continues to nosedive.
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Obama's approval according to Gallop's national average is 42%. I'm assuming the Palin one you're citing is the 70/20 which is just her approval with republican primary voters. IN her own state, they have her losing to Hilary, (PPP) That should indicate that her national apporval rating isn't high.Sure if you want to compare Palin's favorability among registered Republicans compared to Obama's then you may wind up with that big of a gap.
 
zitothebrave said:
Obama's approval according to Gallop's national average is 42%. I'm assuming the Palin one you're citing is the 70/20 which is just her approval with republican primary voters. IN her own state, they have her losing to Hilary, (PPP) That should indicate that her national apporval rating isn't high.Sure if you want to compare Palin's favorability among registered Republicans compared to Obama's then you may wind up with that big of a gap.
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Well, of course she would lose to Hillary in a PPP poll.
 
Hawk said:
Well, of course she would lose to Hillary in a PPP poll.
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I'm just using your source to indicate the flaw in your own statement and then justification. Source material that you used for Palin's favorability, has her out of favor in her own state. When you're not talking about republican primary voters, I don't think she has any advantage in national favorability, if she does it's certainly not anywhere near 40 points.
 
zitothebrave said:
I'm just using your source to indicate the flaw in your own statement and then justification. Source material that you used for Palin's favorability, has her out of favor in her own state. When you're not talking about republican primary voters, I don't think she has any advantage in national favorability, if she does it's certainly not anywhere near 40 points.
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I said that my theory was not empirical. That Palin has poor (by comparatively small margins) favor in a contemporarily Democratic-leaning Alaska in sample conducted by a group that usually polls for progressive candidates doesn't hold much water to me. The PPP poll I was specifically referring to was the other one you mentioned, which demonstrably underlies her Tea Party/Republican sway and is much more indicative of her overall domestic approval.
 
Hawk said:
I said that my theory was not empirical. That Palin has poor (by comparatively small margins) favor in a contemporarily Democratic-leaning Alaska in sample conducted by a group that usually polls for progressive candidates doesn't hold much water to me. The PPP poll I was specifically referring to was the other one you mentioned, which demonstrably indicates her Tea Party/Republican sway and is much more indicative of her overall domestic approval.
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Since when was the tea party/registered republican opinion compare to the rest of the US?

You said

"Maybe it's because her approval rating is something like 40 points higher than the sitting President's. Obama could learn a thing or two from Palin it seems."

So your approval rating is based off results from PPP, but those results don't matter when comparing Palin toHildog in her own state. Other republicans in the same poll beat Hildog including Christie, Huckabee, Paul and Bush. So if Palin's approval is 40 points higher than Obama where does that put Huckabee, 100?

Palin is favorable in those polls, not even meaning people would vote for her, just that they like her. A lot of people like Jimmy Fallon, doesn't mean they will vote for him.
 
zitothebrave said:
Since when was the tea party/registered republican opinion compare to the rest of the US?

You said

"Maybe it's because her approval rating is something like 40 points higher than the sitting President's. Obama could learn a thing or two from Palin it seems."

So your approval rating is based off results from PPP, but those results don't matter when comparing Palin toHildog in her own state. Other republicans in the same poll beat Hildog including Christie, Huckabee, Paul and Bush. So if Palin's approval is 40 points higher than Obama where does that put Huckabee, 100?

Palin is favorable in those polls, not even meaning people would vote for her, just that they like her. A lot of people like Jimmy Fallon, doesn't mean they will vote for him.
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PPP isn't the only body which has found that Palin enjoys a highly favorable domestic profile, though.

I'm not advocating Palin run for public office, please don't get that confused, just noting that her public perception is considerably positive especially in comparison to Obama, who doesn't (currently) command that type of favor from his own base.
 
Hawk said:
PPP isn't the only body which has found that Palin enjoys a highly favorable domestic profile, though.

I'm not advocating Palin run for public office, please don't get that confused, just noting that her public perception is considerably positive especially in comparison to Obama, who doesn't (currently) command that type of favor from his own base.
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It's easy to be favorable when you're a commentator. John Stewart probably has a higher favorability than Palin does.
 
zitothebrave said:
It's easy to be favorable when you're a commentator. John Stewart probably has a higher favorability than Palin does.
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But John Stewart has never run for office and is nowhere near as polarizing a figure as Palin is, which makes her numbers all the more impressive (to me).
 
Hawk said:
But John Stewart has never run for office and is nowhere near as polarizing a figure as Palin is, which makes her numbers all the more impressive (to me).
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Palin isn't polarizing to the Rs, she says what the R media machine wants and isn't bad looking. Something that most men get behind and women can as well. It would be like being shocked that Bob Marley was popular among the pot enthusiast crowd.
 
If Sarah Palin (god forbid) were ever given the title of POTUS, I'd guess her approval rating would be in the negatives, which is impossible, but she'd find a way.
Green eggs and ham...lollllll. Classic. You can't make that stuff up.
 
zitothebrave said:
Palin isn't polarizing to the Rs, she says what the R media machine wants and isn't bad looking. Something that most men get behind and women can as well. It would be like being shocked that Bob Marley was popular among the pot enthusiast crowd.
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Well, that's only a moderately chauvinistic thing to say, I guess.
 
Hawk said:
Don't stoop, Julio. There are several others around here that seem to have welcomingly taken the plunge.

The notion that Sarah Palin's voice isn't worth hearing is preposterous. The constant barbs being dropped that question her intelligence are extremely disrespectful and predictably sexist. This is a woman that essentially sacrificed any semblance of normalcy in her life to run for Vice President. She didn't campaign or lobby for the VP role ... it was thrust upon her - and, all things considered, she met the challenge damn admirably. I would question any woman or man's ability to step into the limelight as aggressively as she was forced to without making errors.

That being said, do I give a **** what she says about the Ukraine? No.

Do I give a **** about what she said at CPAC? No.
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"Errors"? What happened when she opened her mouth during and after the campaign went way beyond that. I get that she was thrust into the limelight without experience, but still....you're straining credulity on many counts.

If her life in Alaska with her family was so precious to her, why did she not choose to stay there? She seems awfully reticent about accepting the mantle of national celebrity and wealth that's been thrust upon her, doesn't she? Cincinnatus she is not.

I just don't agree with you about her skill-set or her intellect. She strikes me as a small-minded person who may have intellectually topped out as a small-town mayor, but who had the ambition and drive to become a small-state governor. Good for her. Hardly the stuff of legends.

Really, she does nothing but deliver red-meat speeches now. She seems way more facile when she isn't having to make a considered response to a question or actually articulate her beliefs in any depth.

Sexist. Sure, whatever. What has she ever done that's impressed you as an intellectual achievement?
 
Hawk said:
Well, that's only a moderately chauvinistic thing to say, I guess.
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Well I'm strictly speaking from a (for lack of better word) appeal standpoint. Attractive men and women get their points across better than unattractive ones. I think the fact that he's more attractive being one reason Obama beat Hildog.

Attractive Women and Men earn more on average and get more chances to move up. That's just the truth. Someone who looks good and says what you want to hear, odds are you're gonna get behind him or her.
 
Surely you see reading it in that circumstance is different than trying to use it to make a political point (while apparently not even having the reading comprehension to understand it). I guess you don't, but yeah.
 
yeezus said:
Surely you see reading it in that circumstance is different than trying to use it to make a political point (while apparently not even having the reading comprehension to understand it). I guess you don't, but yeah.
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It's called parody.
 
Julio3000 said:
"Errors"? What happened when she opened her mouth during and after the campaign went way beyond that. I get that she was thrust into the limelight without experience, but still....you're straining credulity on many counts.

If her life in Alaska with her family was so precious to her, why did she not choose to stay there? She seems awfully reticent about accepting the mantle of national celebrity and wealth that's been thrust upon her, doesn't she? Cincinnatus she is not.

I just don't agree with you about her skill-set or her intellect. She strikes me as a small-minded person who may have intellectually topped out as a small-town mayor, but who had the ambition and drive to become a small-state governor. Good for her. Hardly the stuff of legends.

Really, she does nothing but deliver red-meat speeches now. She seems way more facile when she isn't having to make a considered response to a question or actually articulate her beliefs in any depth.

Sexist. Sure, whatever. What has she ever done that's impressed you as an intellectual achievement?
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Well, let me turn the table at bit: What do see in her as being profoundly unintellectual?

I see her smarts exhibited through her ability to have survived 2008 and its aftermath. And to still have enough relevance to go around over half a decade later. Her brand is extremely valuable.

Spare me the earlier recounting of the Katie Couric interview (which I find easily defensible for many of the reasons I have already mentioned).

I just dislike the Pavlovian instinct to cry "Idiot!" every time Palin opens her mouth primarily because I don't see her as having said, or for that matter actually done, anything to merit that level of malice.
 
Hawk said:
PPP isn't the only body which has found that Palin enjoys a highly favorable domestic profile, though.

I'm not advocating Palin run for public office, please don't get that confused, just noting that her public perception is considerably positive especially in comparison to Obama, who doesn't (currently) command that type of favor from his own base.
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My point is she doesn't enjoy a favorable domestic profile. Obama is in the mid-40s according Rasmussen. I doubt Palin would hit the mid-40s there.
 
50PoundHead said:
My point is she doesn't enjoy a favorable domestic profile. Obama is in the mid-40s according Rasmussen. I doubt Palin would hit the mid-40s there.
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I know. I just disagree. If I spent some time crunching numbers, I don't think it would be difficult to illustrate a trend there. JMO, of course.
 
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