Official CBA Negotiation Thread
- Thread starter bravesfanforlife88
- Start date
Only thing I would be against this is the fact there are teams with much more buying power than others.
Otherwise, I think young players should get paid sooner.
Then that doesn't do anything to change the problem. The cheap teams like the A's and Marlins will continue to not spend money.
Some teams are restricted based on their own conditions and not arbitrary set budgets.
I think the NFL model is the best to ensure parody and fair pay for young good players.
You can't just have a situation where the Yankees/Dodgers/Red Sox/Mets/etc... are using all other franchises as their farm team.
And yet even when we have revenue sharing, those teams are not putting the money back into the team. The A's for instance have had a stadium issue for nearly 40 years and they refuse to do anything about it.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
The NFL model is not great for players. They have the worst union.
The NFL has a slotted draft system. Yes the draft picks make more money, but most of that is because those players are expected to play from day 1. Players can be cut for any reason and have very little guaranteed money.
The NFL salary cap is below the CBT despite having 3x the players on the team and the franchise worth more money.
The NFL has a slotted draft system. Yes the draft picks make more money, but most of that is because those players are expected to play from day 1. Players can be cut for any reason and have very little guaranteed money.
The NFL salary cap is below the CBT despite having 3x the players on the team and the franchise worth more money.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
If you don't have the money to play, then sell to someone who does.
MLB has great parity. Based on playoff teams and WS winners, it is way better than the NBA.
We currently have a system where the high money teams can use others as a farm team, but that is because the other owners do not spend.
It's never going to be equal. Nothing is equal. Life is not fair.
20% of the league having a 2019 payroll under 100 million isn't because of things the teams can't control. If that is the case move the teams. These titans of industry are supposed to add value, so make some money.
Unfortunately there's not an "answer" for any of the issues - for either side - that either will ever consider acceptable, and the longer this drags on with both sides unwilling to admit that the more fans the sport is eventually going to lose.
No one on either side has any interest in true compromise, and that's the unfortunate truth. We don't need to look any further than the fact that there's no independent arbitrator involved in the process whose ONLY job is to look out for the GAME rather than either side. The owners have the upper hand in the PR game regarding this right now since they can say they tried to get one involved weeks ago, but the truth of the matter is likely that that was for show and the idea was only floated because they were confident the players would decline.
DirkPiggler
Well-known member
Keep the CBT, but split any luxury tax payments equally between the teams that receive payments and the pre-arb player pool. Instead of rewarding the Marlins for tanking and the Rays for being in a shïtty market, reward the young players who excel. Start with the $30MM in the player pool that the owners proposed, and supplement it each year with 1/2 of the luxury tax collected.
Way better than the NFL as well. How many times in the last 21 years has the SB not featured either Peyton or Brady? Maybe 4 times?
That's a decent start.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
Owners are allowed to spend more on front office staff. They can spend more on entertainment, etc. It's just labor they are holding down.
I do not have a reference here, but almost all of the writers in the game have quoted that the players are getting a LOWER percentage of revenue than they have since the 90s. The owners are just trying to keep all of the money.
Just like most of our society, the bosses are taking more of the money despite not providing more of the value. I say that as one of the bosses. The owners are the problem here 100%.
I do not have a reference here, but almost all of the writers in the game have quoted that the players are getting a LOWER percentage of revenue than they have since the 90s. The owners are just trying to keep all of the money.
Just like most of our society, the bosses are taking more of the money despite not providing more of the value. I say that as one of the bosses. The owners are the problem here 100%.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
so we cancelled 2 series and they will yet again wait till the last minute to try to work things out. I think at least half the season is in jeporady.
PawPawMaxwell
Called Up to the Major Leagues
Tony Clark is reported to have stated that MLB seems intent on breaking the union. So my question is: What happens if MLB cancels 2022 season? Does the union fold?
IMO some posters here should be aware that unions have a very poor level of meaning in the vast majority of states and even in the states where unions have a presence the union members numbers are minimal.
IMO some posters here should be aware that unions have a very poor level of meaning in the vast majority of states and even in the states where unions have a presence the union members numbers are minimal.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
I think it is possible the union has to be willing to sit out the year. I think they are.
I also think the owners saw what a shortened season looks like in 2020 and they know the number of games they need to make money. So I expect them to target 120 game season or so.
Personally I would have put shortening the season on the table if they are going to expand the playoffs and kill the regular season. Say 150 games. 4 teams in the playoffs. Teams 5-12 play 3 game series tournament. Winner of the tournament plays the WC. Division winners just have a shortened season. Their lost home games made up in increased percentage of post season/tournament TV money. Teams 13-30 play a tournament for draft order. Draft order tournament would end up in longer season than 162, but playoff teams play extra games. Probably get more TV money for this tournament too.
I'd prefer to just keep the season as it is. But I worry a lot that playoff expansion is going to kill the meaning of the regular season. I worry more teams will not spend b/c they have a 50% shot at the playoffs regardless. I worry that the trade deadline will be killed b/c there will be very few sellers and the GMs will not be willing to pay up to the bottom ten teams who are selling.
PawPawMaxwell
Called Up to the Major Leagues
Cant disagree with any of Russ post. However, another thought. If you were an owner and you saw future earning disruptions what would YOUR position be? Take a guy like Scherzer, up in years, going out maybe 35 times per year for 5-7 innings and costing you over $1M each start combined with other players salaries and the result is more than your intake for that day. What do you do?
Then the other thought maybe the owners have, do we want to go thru this disruption every 5 years?
Then the other thought maybe the owners have, do we want to go thru this disruption every 5 years?
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
The fact that they always seem to lose the negotiations.