GDT 4/22/22: Braves vs Marlins - Friday Fish Fry
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CrimsonCowboy
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One of the worst I have ever seen on Umpire Scorecards
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msstate7
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If Wright continues this, we're a legit repeat threat
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
I keep thinking there is some smoke and mirrors with this Wright start. But a lot of the advance stats are supporting this. When are we allowed to be excited.
Wright would have been here sooner if the organization allowed him more time to sink and swim in prior seasons.
A lesson to be learned for future arms.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
We won a title and now control an impact pitcher for 4 more years. I would say we did a good job with him.
chop2chip
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We sank or swim with Newcomb. That didn’t really work out.
Pitcher psychology is a science no one gets right. Be thankful for any good outcome.
Wrong. Again.
Wright was not good, and losing games for 2-3 seasons while he figured it out would have been a waste of a talented roster. He couldn’t execute pitch sequences, and he didn’t need to be shelled at the MLB level to improve on that.
If anything, the way they handled Wright the last 2-3 years is an excellent example of how to handle pitchers like him and Touki who may take longer than usual to figure things out.
The good news is that as long as this newfound control sticks, Wright looks to be the guy we were all excited fell to the Braves at pick 5.
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Yeah. Letting Wright die at the majors and lose service time and then him figuring it out and only being able to have the good Wright for a year or two would not be good.
The thing with Newk is because he was a power lefty he got a lot of early looks and was given more chances tk figure it out on the fly than sent down and work on it.
I think he may still end up being serviceable to someone.
I also think because he was traded for Simmons he got more chanced to prove the trade wasn't a bust.
The problem with Newk is that he started to see some success as a BP arm, then inexplicably was shoehorned back into the SP role.
I think the Braves mishandled Newk a bit.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Astros get their hands on him at some point.
The only problem with Newk as a pen guy is I just don't think he'll ever develop enough control to be someone you can count on in high leverage situations. He's simply always going to pitch himself INTO trouble even if he works his way out of it - much like Elder all day yesterday (and Folty for so long).
It's impossible for any of us to get into his head, but it just seems that he thinks of himself as a starter no matter how much success he has as a pen guy - and he doesn't give a *hit that the numbers the organization shows him prove they're right and he's wrong.
My hope is that they're not mishandling Strider by making the same mistakes they did with Folty and Newk. If you want him to become a SP, send him down NOW so he can work on what he needs to and so he can stretch out and learn to pitch when his FB isn't touching 101. Using him for 3-4 innings once every week to 10 days is an incredible waste of his talent. Either hand him the eighth inning now or develop him - don't bounce him back and forth between roles and waste that FB/slider combination like you did with Folty/Newk/Touki. Leave him down as a SP for an extended period like Wright if you eventually want him pitching in the rotation.
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i think Newk told management he still wanted opportunities to start.
And because the rotation was thin they kept letting him have opportunities to start.
The sooner the Braves understand pitchers don't have to be 1 a inning BP guy or a 6 inning SP, the sooner they can start getting more out of the talented arms they acquire.
What players say they want should not be a factor. Their job is to fullfill the role they are assigned, and the organization's job is to demonstrate to players that those roles are valuable.
What players say they want should not be a factor. Their job is to fullfill the role they are assigned, and the organization's job is to demonstrate to players that those roles are valuable.
msstate7
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On the opening sentence, change braves to snit.
Last year in the playoffs, the FO took over, and the difference was apparent. Why we back to snit mode is a mystery
The problem with this is that it requires a complete change in the way things are handled throughout the organization.
While I think most agree (including me) with your stance, this is not only impossible to do without requiring Snitker to completely change the way he handles a staff - you have to change the way everyone approaches things BEFORE these kids make it to The Show. No one's arguing that that wouldn't be the best choice in the long run, but you're simply not going to be able to sell that to the old school baseball guys that are still scattered throughout the organization coming off of three straight division titles and a World Series win when you've shown you're willing to pay $20 million per to a 38 year old to be your "horse". If you're handing Snitker guys that are consistently going 6-7 innings in the minors, that's the way he's going to use them.
It's easy to sell a complete change in organizational philosophy when you're rebuilding and times are bad - I'd imagine most of the people who have had a hand in Wright's development gave Snitker a standing ovation when he was talked into giving him the chance to get that last out Friday. I think you drastically underestimate the number of people that still affect those decisions who still subscribe to the "you can't turn him into a horse until you give him the chance to learn to be one" philosophy.
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