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chop2chip said:
Coppy made win now moves.

Kept Julio Teheran
Signed RA Dickey and Colon
Traded for Hector Olivera
Traded for Matt Kemp
Calling up Dansby in August (let’s revisit this one in November)

Coppy did more good than bad building the farm. We can look at our friends in Philly for an example of a rebuild that truly goes bad. But I have absolutely zero faith he had what it takes to build a winner.
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Just to be fair, the Teheran/Dickey/Colon/Olivera/Kemp crowd were signed to provide a better on-field product than what Orioles, Marlins, and Pirates fans have gotten during their never-ending rebuilds so there was at least SOME reason for fans to come to the park - even if only once in awhile.

I certainly have no interest in defending Coppy, but the higher-ups did provide him money to sign a few "interesting" players to appease the fans during that period while ownership at those other places continually keep their GMs from spending money whatsoever. That changed a little in Miami this past winter, but the money that was finally spent was on terrible investments - even if it wasn't "big" money.
 
clvclv said:
Just to be fair, the Teheran/Dickey/Colon/Olivera/Kemp crowd were signed to provide a better on-field product than what Orioles, Marlins, and Pirates fans have gotten during their never-ending rebuilds so there was at least SOME reason for fans to come to the park - even if only once in awhile.

I certainly have no interest in defending Coppy, but the higher-ups did provide him money to sign a few "interesting" players to appease the fans during that period while ownership at those other places continually keep their GMs from spending money whatsoever. That changed a little in Miami this past winter, but the money that was finally spent was on terrible investments - even if it wasn't "big" money.
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Totally get it. I’ll respect any team that’s remotely interested in providing an entertaining product (I will never once criticize the Markakis signing for this reason).

But those interesting players neither provided entertainment or value. They were duds in every sense of the word.
 
chop2chip said:
From what we know about Coppy, is that he was a transaction whore.

The best moves AA made during his tenure were extensions and not trading Fried, Riley and Albies.I don’t have faith that Coppy would have had the same discipline.
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Didn't Coppy try to trade Albies?
 
clvclv said:
Just to be fair, the Teheran/Dickey/Colon/Olivera/Kemp crowd were signed to provide a better on-field product than what Orioles, Marlins, and Pirates fans have gotten during their never-ending rebuilds so there was at least SOME reason for fans to come to the park - even if only once in awhile.

I certainly have no interest in defending Coppy, but the higher-ups did provide him money to sign a few "interesting" players to appease the fans during that period while ownership at those other places continually keep their GMs from spending money whatsoever. That changed a little in Miami this past winter, but the money that was finally spent was on terrible investments - even if it wasn't "big" money.
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As I recall the Olivera deal was because Coppy loved him and thought he was a long term piece. Kemp was acquired to move the Olivera money earlier in the calendar to get it off the books sooner.

Dickey was the type of 1 year plus option flyers that all rebuilding teams should try, didn't work out. Same thing on Colon.

Tehran was an asset we held onto too long b/c we over valued him or some other reason.

Coppy killed it with the Shelby Miller trade. Ender and Dansby were good. Dansby is valuable starter on multiple division winners and WS teams.
Coppy brought in Max Fried.

Did well on the Gattis for Folty deal.

Signed Wild Bill. Signed Pache.

Drafted Soroka, Wright and Riley.

Acquired Luke Jackson and Ynoa.

He did some good things. He did some very bad things. No GM is 100%. Predicting the future is hard.

Someone tired to trade Albies away for Jose Quintana as I recall. I think AA offered Riley in a JT Realmuto deal. Sometimes the best deals are the ones you do not make.
 
Russ2dollas said:
As I recall the Olivera deal was because Coppy loved him and thought he was a long term piece. Kemp was acquired to move the Olivera money earlier in the calendar to get it off the books sooner.

Dickey was the type of 1 year plus option flyers that all rebuilding teams should try, didn't work out. Same thing on Colon.

Tehran was an asset we held onto too long b/c we over valued him or some other reason.

Coppy killed it with the Shelby Miller trade. Ender and Dansby were good. Dansby is valuable starter on multiple division winners and WS teams.
Coppy brought in Max Fried.

Did well on the Gattis for Folty deal.

Signed Wild Bill. Signed Pache.

Drafted Soroka, Wright and Riley.

Acquired Luke Jackson and Ynoa.

He did some good things. He did some very bad things. No GM is 100%. Predicting the future is hard.

Someone tired to trade Albies away for Jose Quintana as I recall. I think AA offered Riley in a JT Realmuto deal. Sometimes the best deals are the ones you do not make.
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Don't forget that Acuna/Albies were brought into the organization under the same system that the Old Guard built.
 
thethe said:
I love the position people take when they pretend that Wren is responsible for Acuna/Albies.

Always makes me chuckle.....
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You mean like when people pretend Coppy had something to do with the World Series. Yea, I chuckle too.
 
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Russ2dollas said:
As I recall the Olivera deal was because Coppy loved him and thought he was a long term piece. Kemp was acquired to move the Olivera money earlier in the calendar to get it off the books sooner.

Dickey was the type of 1 year plus option flyers that all rebuilding teams should try, didn't work out. Same thing on Colon.

Tehran was an asset we held onto too long b/c we over valued him or some other reason.

Coppy killed it with the Shelby Miller trade. Ender and Dansby were good. Dansby is valuable starter on multiple division winners and WS teams.
Coppy brought in Max Fried.

Did well on the Gattis for Folty deal.

Signed Wild Bill. Signed Pache.

Drafted Soroka, Wright and Riley.

Acquired Luke Jackson and Ynoa.

He did some good things. He did some very bad things. No GM is 100%. Predicting the future is hard.

Someone tired to trade Albies away for Jose Quintana as I recall. I think AA offered Riley in a JT Realmuto deal. Sometimes the best deals are the ones you do not make.
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Coppy did well rebuilding the farm system. Everyone agrees with that.

The last paragraph is the one that makes me thankful we have AA.
 
Mad Dog Murph said:
Hart had more to do with those deals than anyone. Coppy was the young face Chancellor Palpatine hid behind
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I’d agree. Substitute old guard for Coppy.

That is who braves fan should be praising most but it’s hard to do for most braves fans.
 
chop2chip said:
Coppy did well rebuilding the farm system. Everyone agrees with that.

The last paragraph is the one that makes me thankful we have AA.
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Considering the pieces Coppy had to trade, I think he did an acceptable job acquiring young talent in return. And let's face it, being the recipient of Dave Stewart's complete and utter ineptitude was not due to Coppy being good at his job...Stewart was just that bad, and Coppy just so happened to have a SP available at the right time. I suspect any baseball professional would have roughly the same hit rate. I still believe Coppy took too much volatile pitching value rather than looking for more reliable hitter value though.

Where the "Old Guard" really shined was hitting on draft picks. Soroka, Anderson, Wright is a brilliant 3 year stretch of getting pitchers at the top of the draft. Since AA took the helm the drafting has been pretty terrible, and only some of that can be attributed to lower picks...AA has literally drafted nobody worth anything. It's so bad it's almost like they actively tried to draft poorly.
 
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Enscheff said:
AA has literally drafted nobody worth anything.
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Michael Harris II has been worth 0.4 fWAR and Spencer Strider has been worth 0.8 fWAR. So that statement is objectively false, at least as of today.

I agree there's plenty to critique with the Anthopoulos Team draft strategy thus far; but I also think saying it's "so bad it's almost like they actively tried to draft poorly" is a massive overstatement. Some picks have already added value to the major-league team—not just the aforementioned Harris and Strider, but the trio of Langaliers/Estes/Cusick in the Olson trade—and the full jury is still out on pretty much all of these drafts. Nevertheless, the upside they're looking for in the early rounds heretofore has left something to be desired.
 
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