I mean - I'm a BIG BIG AA fan but the world series was effectively the old guards plan coming to fruition.
As chop mentioned the other day. Those Padre trades will go down in Braves history.
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I mean - I'm a BIG BIG AA fan but the world series was effectively the old guards plan coming to fruition.
As chop mentioned the other day. Those Padre trades will go down in Braves history.
All of those options aside from Soroka are trash currently. We've tried each of those guys this year and they've all proven they are not currently major league caliber starters.
Maybe we get Soroka back this year. And maybe he can still pitch effectively after missing 2 years. That's a pretty large gamble.
What does is matter that he costs 10 million? Are we using that 10 million for something else? Doesn't seem like it
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That 10M is the equivalent of ~25M annualized come the deadline. So that is the type of player we could acquire via trade and absorb salary to reduce surplus value in terms of prospects needed to flip.
Those guys have been trash thus far. Baseball is a marathon and I fully believe that Ynoa will have a good month or two with the big league club before the year is over.
And what prospects are we gonna have that can bring us those types?
1. You're assuming payroll was tapped out if we spent another 10 million this off-season? That seems unlikely given that we offered Verlander a pretty hefty deal and were in on Soler before he eventually signed with Miami
2. When we don't spend 10+ million to improve the club at the deadline, what will be your reasoning then?
The whole point of reserving the cash is so that we can fully absorb salary because we have no prospects to trade.
1) We offered Verlander that money before Jansen/McGugh/Rosario
2) What does the team look like at that point? If we have a glaring need and don't acquire anyone then that would make me believe that we don't have any excess cash to spend or there were no deals that made sense.
I highly doubt Coppy would have led the Braves to two straight NLCS appearances let a lone the World Series. That's all I'll say on that.
Since its an incredible accomplishment I'd say safe money is with you.
But if we look back on their judgment in trades then I think more good decisions would have been made moving forward.
chop2chip
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From what we know about Coppy, is that he was a transaction whore.
The best moves AA made during his tenure were extensions and not trading Fried, Riley and Albies.I don’t have faith that Coppy would have had the same discipline.
I think Albies is the most likely name on that list that could have been traded.
I think the scouting department absolutely loved Fried/Riley and those guys would have been here for the long haul. Most likely with extensions already.
Coppy seems like he would be a Preller type GM. Trying to win the offseason.
And AA getting Acuna on the extension that he did is a god-tier move.
chop2chip
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Every move Coppy made that was at the major league roster level was a dud (except Tyler Flowers I guess?)
It’s an entirely different skill set to build than to tear down.
The goals of the front office during that time were much different. Once the talent started to percolate from the farm (EPIC TALENT LEVELS) then AA was given much more flexiblity.
Not to mention the plan of moving to Cobb working out like gangbusters resulting in incredible amounts of cash to spend.
chop2chip
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How many extensions did Coppy sign?
AA is the best in baseball extending players (as evidenced in detail with Olson this winter).
What players were reasonable players to sign/extend during that time?
I'm not going to turn this into a negative AA discussion at all. He is a brilliant GM and we are lucky to have him.
All I know is that Coppy and the old guard made absolutely incredible trades that got us to where we are today.
chop2chip
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Coppy made win now moves.
Kept Julio Teheran
Signed RA Dickey and Colon
Traded for Hector Olivera
Traded for Matt Kemp
Calling up Dansby in August (let’s revisit this one in November)
Coppy did more good than bad building the farm. We can look at our friends in Philly for an example of a rebuild that truly goes bad. But I have absolutely zero faith he had what it takes to build a winner.
NYCBrave
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I don't think the Dansby call up was a win now move, as much as it was a tool to attempt to generate excitement ahead of the opening of the new stadium the following season. Especially since we didn't have a great team at the time.
Well no GM is perfect.
And I think it was important for the team to be 'functional' when Truist park opened so we have absolutely no clue what influences were made by the people writing the checks. Thats a 'Cop' out for sure but it should be a factor under consideration.
They drafted like champs and talent evaluated like champs. We are a middling team with another front office running the team during that timeframe. Let's completely throw out 2021 WS champs.
chop2chip
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Don’t disagree. Major League Baseball cupboard was pretty bare. You are the one that’s very confident Riley and Fried would already have been extended with Coppy. I was just wondering why you are so confident.
I guess Coppy did sign Inciarte to an extension. Wasn’t a good one though.
At the time we all loved the Ender trade (my recollection).
I'm just saying I think the front office believed in their young talent and wanted to keep them around for a long time.
chop2chip
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Ender was awesome (one of the early statcast OOA darlings) and I thought the extension was reasonable at the time.