Cox Love at 538

[Gary82]

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Over the course of his career, Cox’s teams outperformed expectations by 3.1 wins per 162 games on average, sometimes exceeding their projected talent level by as much as 10 wins.

 

[yeezus]

Interesting. Not sure exactly how much it means, but it's at least interesting.

 

[Gary82]

Interesting. Not sure exactly how much it means, but it's at least interesting.

Yeah, that's pretty much it.

 

[cajunrevenge]

The only stat needed to quantify Bobby is 16. That's 16 straight division titles. He won the division with the Jays before coming to the Braves. That has to be one of the most unbreakable records in sports.

 

[Gary82]

Ok, I had to post this, too.

For managers who have managed at least three seasons, Jon's top five in wins added per 162 games were Farrell (+5.7), Fredi Gonzalez (+5.5), Tony La Russa (+5.0), Mattingly (+4.7) and Ron Washington (+4.4).

 

[yeezus]

Ok, I had to post this, too.

I truly take this with a grain of salt.

 

[Gary82]

I truly take this with a grain of salt.

Yeah, of course. I just thought it was funny since we all give Fredi a lot of ****.

 

[CyYoung31]

I truly take this with a grain of salt.

I mean, a managers most important job is in the clubhouse and behind the scenes. Talent usually takes care of the rest.

 

[yeezus]

I mean, a managers most important job is in the clubhouse and behind the scenes. Talent usually takes care of the rest.

What are you getting at?

 

[AUTiger7222]

I didn't click on the link but I'm guessing this is that thing based on predicting a team's W-L record based on runs scored and runs allowed?

 

[Dalyn]

What are you getting at?

Fredi is awesome when no one is looking.

 

[CyYoung31]

What are you getting at?

That it's not that surprising Fredi's teams outperform their expected W/L totals.

 

[thewupk]

I didn't click on the link but I'm guessing this is that thing based on predicting a team's W-L record based on runs scored and runs allowed?

Something like that.

They looked at every manager to manage a decent amount of games and found out that most of them did nothing when it came to altering a teams win/loss record from what was expected. Cox was one of the few who did.

 

[Tapate50]

That it's not that surprising Fredi's teams outperform their expected W/L totals.

Most of that probably comes from his stint in Florida as he really didn't have much to work with, but I'd say last years team was a bit over achieving as well.

 

[Julio3000]

Homophobe.

 

[AUTiger7222]

Most of that probably comes from his stint in Florida as he really didn't have much to work with, but I'd say last years team was a bit over achieving as well.

2011 - Braves won 89 games. Expected to win 85 games. +4
2012 - Braves won 94 games. Expected to win 92 games. +2
2013 - Braves won 96 games. Expected to win 98 games. -2

 

[Dalyn]

2011 - Braves won 89 games. Expected to win 85 games. +4
2012 - Braves won 94 games. Expected to win 92 games. +2
2013 - Braves won 96 games. Expected to win 98 games. -2

So, instead of better like people are trying to say, Fredi is getting consistently worse. Nice.

 

[CyYoung31]

So, instead of better like people are trying to say, Fredi is getting consistently worse. Nice.

Actually, he's consistently getting better.

2011: 89 wins

2012: 94 wins

2013: 96 wins

 

[Julio3000]

Fredi is awesome when no one is looking.

If Fredi manages the **** out of a game and no one is around to see it, does it make a sound?

 

[Dalyn]

Actually, he's consistently getting better.

2011: 89 wins
2012: 94 wins
2013: 96 wins