2022 Elections

[thethe]

I think their point was tax cuts/deregulation happened to be his biggest policy successes, not that they necessarily are the only things that matter.

They want to ascribe Trumps success to the Paul Ryan led Congress. Its very clear what the angle that WSJ has here...

And if the past is any sense of prologue the traditional republicans will fight hard for nothing else other than tax cuts and deregulation while the country degrades into a ****hole.

 

[57Brave]

do you think the (R) donor class are staunch cultural warriors or in your case care 2 wits about school choice?

if your answer is yes, we must talk, I have a proposition to show you

 

[thethe]

Right? What year is it

Thats why we can't move off the path we are on - If Desantis wants to continue his trajectory where he modeled himself after TRUMP then he has a bright future. If he is going to continue to listen to people like Paul Ryan then his time in the spotlight will dim faster than people realize.

 

[mqt]

One thing I’ll never understand is the idea that we should spend heavily on defense, but not on healthcare or food and shelter for American citizens. If we agree that our social contract with the government is for it to keep us safe, I don’t see how getting involved in wars across Europe and Asia does more to protect ordinary Americans than stopping us from dying from disease or sleeping on the side of the road.

 

[sturg33]

you have shown in the past the inability / unwillingness
to understand California black/brown out situation

but please explain the inevitability of $6 / gal. gas
due to environmental deregulation
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from where I sit, over the years fossil fuel industries have reaped trillions in tax breaks ,
and how that is exempt from the " free money" collar or the redistribution label

Can you in your own words describe why you believe California gas is so much more expensive than every other state in the union?

(This is the part where you won't)

 

[sturg33]

One thing I’ll never understand is the idea that we should spend heavily on defense, but not on healthcare or food and shelter for American citizens. If we agree that our social contract with the government is for it to keep us safe, I don’t see how getting involved in wars across Europe and Asia does more to protect ordinary Americans than stopping us from dying from disease or sleeping on the side of the road.

If we are forced to spend, I'd rather spend on Americans than killing people.

But the problem is every program run by the government is inefficient, ineffective, and always leads to more bloat over time

 

[thethe]

One thing I’ll never understand is the idea that we should spend heavily on defense, but not on healthcare or food and shelter for American citizens. If we agree that our social contract with the government is for it to keep us safe, I don’t see how getting involved in wars across Europe and Asia does more to protect ordinary Americans than stopping us from dying from disease or sleeping on the side of the road.

You keep thinking the new Republican party is like the old one. People like Paul Ryan want it to be but the domestic policy of the new right is far different mqt.

 

[mqt]

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Even if you are unhappy with Tuesday’s results, you have to admit this is a little bit funny.

 

[sturg33]

Fifty Shades of Whey
@davenewworld_2
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Colorado just voted in favor of a measure to provide free meals

for all public school students by raising taxes on the state's

wealthiest residents making over $300k.

We need to expand this nationwide.

Whoa! A bunch of people voted to take others people's money away???? I'm shocked!!

 

[chop2chip]

One thing I’ll never understand is the idea that we should spend heavily on defense, but not on healthcare or food and shelter for American citizens. If we agree that our social contract with the government is for it to keep us safe, I don’t see how getting involved in wars across Europe and Asia does more to protect ordinary Americans than stopping us from dying from disease or sleeping on the side of the road.

Agreed. There is a thread that’s updated every couple day with how much money is being spent on weaponry to kill conscripted Russians. Would be nice if some of that money could have gone towards infrastructure spending instead. War is basically the only area of agreement across parties.

 

[msstate7]

Agreed. There is a thread that’s updated every couple day with how much money is being spent on weaponry to kill conscripted Russians. Would be nice if some of that money could have gone towards infrastructure spending instead. War is basically the only area of agreement across parties.

Wonder why that is... almost like they benefit in some way

 

[sturg33]

Thats why we can't move off the path we are on - If Desantis wants to continue his trajectory where he modeled himself after TRUMP then he has a bright future. If he is going to continue to listen to people like Paul Ryan then his time in the spotlight will dim faster than people realize.

You keep focusing on this. Ron DeSantis proved he had more stones than trump by not locking his state down. Trump did. DeSantis fired the election team in 2019. Trump did t fire anybody.

I want the nation governed like florida. Trump talked about it but DeSantis did it.

First things first you actually have to win elections which trump continues to show he cannot do

 

[msstate7]

You keep focusing on this. Ron DeSantis proved he had more stones than trump by not locking his state down. Trump did. DeSantis fired the election team in 2019. Trump did t fire anybody.

I want the nation governed like florida. Trump talked about it but DeSantis did it.

First things first you actually have to win elections which trump continues to show he cannot do

^^^

 

[nsacpi]

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[acesfull86]

One thing I’ll never understand is the idea that we should spend heavily on defense, but not on healthcare or food and shelter for American citizens. If we agree that our social contract with the government is for it to keep us safe, I don’t see how getting involved in wars across Europe and Asia does more to protect ordinary Americans than stopping us from dying from disease or sleeping on the side of the road.

The simple answer is because national defense is a public good and those other things you listed are not (using the economic definition of a public good). But I’m skeptical like you are that much of what we call national defense is actually national defense.

 

[thethe]

You keep focusing on this. Ron DeSantis proved he had more stones than trump by not locking his state down. Trump did. DeSantis fired the election team in 2019. Trump did t fire anybody.

I want the nation governed like florida. Trump talked about it but DeSantis did it.

First things first you actually have to win elections which trump continues to show he cannot do

Desantis ran laps around Trump on COVID. Not going to get an argument from me on that.

 

[mqt]

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It’s much better for young women to get married. Perhaps they can even get cheated on by their spouse, and that spouse can help another young woman get married to him! Watters is truly helping society in this way.

 

[mqt]

The simple answer is because national defense is a public good and those other things you listed are not (using the economic definition of a public good). But I’m skeptical like you are that much of what we call national defense is actually national defense.

I’m really curious as to what your argument would be that public housing or a national healthcare system would not be economically defined as a public good.

You tend to have reasonable (though wrong ) takes on these issues, but both would seem to fit at least from a definitional sense.

 

[msstate7]

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It’s much better for young women to get married. Perhaps they can even get cheated on by their spouse, and that spouse can help another young woman get married to him! Watters is truly helping society in this way.

Again, like the trump comment yesterday, this is in jest.

 

[nsacpi]

The simple answer is because national defense is a public good and those other things you listed are not (using the economic definition of a public good). But I’m skeptical like you are that much of what we call national defense is actually national defense.

Mankiw (not exactly a flaming liberal) has a list of "some important public goods" in his Principles of Microeconomics textbook. The list: national defense, basic research, and fighting poverty. Have he and I been brainwashing the yute of America?

The discussion is interesting: "Advocates of antipoverty programs sometimes claim that fighting poverty is a public good. To see why, suppose that someone tried to organize a group of wealthy individuals to try to eliminate poverty. They would be providing a public good. This good would not be rival in consumption: One person's enjoyment of living in a society without poverty would not reduce anyone else's enjoyment of it. The good would not be excludable: Once poverty is eliminated, no one can be prevented from taking pleasure in this fact. As a result, there would be a tendency for people to free ride on the generosity of others, enjoying the benefits of poverty elimination without contributing to the cause. Because of the free-rider problem, eliminating poverty through private charity will probably not work."

Anyhow the key characteristics of goods that are public goods are non-excludability and non-rivalry. They are technical terms with fairly precise definitions.