To actually defeat ISIS. It’s just crazy you’d come at me with a military spending number like it’s a left wing talking point of 4 years ago. You used to be on my side debunking stupid things like this.
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To actually defeat ISIS. It’s just crazy you’d come at me with a military spending number like it’s a left wing talking point of 4 years ago. You used to be on my side debunking stupid things like this.
cajunrevenge
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These results only hold up if you cherry pick dates. When you from day 1 to January 21st 2021 he was an abysmal failure.
Almost forgot, you happy with the job his hand picked guy Chris Wray is doing as FBI director? The Michigan plot and prosecutions of J6 people were all started by Trumps hand picked guys Barr and Wray. Why do you give Trump a pass for what the people he appoint does? Do you use that logic for anyone but Trump? What about his appointment record makes you think it will get better? Trump will appoint anyone so long as they agree with whatever issue he is currently pushing. You can defende Barr and Wray as Trump not knowing but John Bolton wasn't an unknown. There is no excuse but incompetence for hiring Bolton.
I'll say the same thing to you that I have to Sturg. How many times would you like me to say Trump isn't perfect and he has made many questionable decisions specifically his hiring choices? Give me a number and I'll do it.
The results are the results and anyone sane knows how good Trump was until the bioweapon hit.
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thethe: sturg is a sellout to MIC... a war monger!! he's been duped by the establishment!!
also thethe: it's crazy that sturg wants military spending reduced!!
cajunrevenge
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You go out of your way to defend Trump but go looking for ways to criticize DeSantis. Ron ain't perfect either but your main problem with him is that he isn't passionately defending Trump enough.
Reduce military spending when there is a homicidal terrorist organization controlling massive amounts of territory in the middle east beheading people around the world? Dude are you like 10 years old?
cajunrevenge
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sturg33
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He beefed up defense spending to beat ISIS.
OK, fine.
Why didn't he cut defense spending elsewhere to pay for it?
Why did he need 200B more to defeat ISIS than we needed to launch wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and Yemen?
Once ISIS was defeated, why did defense spending rise even faster? Trump's first year increased defense spending by $35B. ISIS was defeated in December in 2017. In 2018, spending grew by $36B. In 2019, it grew by $52B. In 2020, it grew by $44B.
I'm afraid that using ISIS as an excuse for increased MIC spending is just that, an excuse
cajunrevenge
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Needed money for that wall that ended illegal.border crossings.....
You really have forgotten what the middle east was like after 8 years of the worst foreign policy we have ever seen until Joe Biden. Its so disingenuous to pretend Trump wasn't SOLVING problems left for him and ensuring no NEW problems raised.
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I just want to be clear about something.
You took a vanilla statement from RDS to loudly exclaim that he is a MIC suck establishment war mongering trojan horse
And you took $154B increase in defense spending from President Trump as totally rational, justified, and smart
I'm not sure how to argue with someone with such wildly different standards of acceptable positions
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Sounds like the argument the establishment has been making for decades.
We have to go Iraq because they have a genoicdal monster with WMDs who are going to kill us
We have to go to Afghanistan to kill the all the homicidal terrorists trying to kill us
We have to massacre Libya and Yemen because of the homicidal terrorist organization propping up
We have to arm the Ukranians to stop the homicidal war criminal
We have to invade Iran to stop the homicidal monster from wiping Israel off the map.
I am not 10 years old... that propaganda stopped working on me about 15 years ago
Yeah - ISIS was the same things as lying about WMD and then executing a regime change that destablized teh whole Middle East. Great analysis!
You can't understand it because you lack the ability to debate in nuance.
"Vanilla Statement" to you is a set of conditions that leads us to WW3 (As explained on numerous occasiosn).
"increase in Spending" (with a negative connotation) to you but in reality is a needed aggression against a dangerous enemy. And of course everyone agreed so at the time. Trump did so well you just don't remember ISIS. We weren't an occupying force here.
sturg33
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I got news for you pal... there will always be a monster for us to go slay. John Bolton will make sure of that
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First cousin, once removed.
sturg33
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Some opinions that thethe trusts
Maybe he can help them out
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It's wild watching it in real time on this board.
And this is the part where thethe says "I've said a million times that Trump is perfect!" while he demands perfection from literally everyone else or they are establishment cucks Trojan horses
Maybe he can help them out
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It's wild watching it in real time on this board.
And this is the part where thethe says "I've said a million times that Trump is perfect!" while he demands perfection from literally everyone else or they are establishment cucks Trojan horses