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nsacpi said:
my perhaps overly simplistic take is that voters in those states (the ones passing pro-choice referenda) like their conservative governors but in spite of not because of the positions on abortion...i believe signatures are being gathered for a referendum in Florida...i think those kinds of referenda will continue to pass even in red states...and those states will continue to vote by and large for conservative candidates for governor and other offices
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He still doesn't get what a terrible strategic decision it is to run a national campaign on more stringent abortion positions.

The correct LONG term play is to allow the states to sort it out for themselves and continue to educate the population on the horrors of abortion.
 
nsacpi said:
my perhaps overly simplistic take is that voters in those states (the ones passing pro-choice referenda) like their conservative governors but in spite of not because of their positions on abortion...i believe signatures are being gathered for a referendum in Florida...i think those kinds of referenda will continue to pass even in red states...and those states will continue to vote by and large for conservative candidates for governor and other offices
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Overturning roe was a pro democracy decision.

The voters in states are free to remove their their governors who sign baby saving legislation if they wish

In the meantime, tens of thousands of babies have been saved, and thethe thinks that was a strategic mistake
 
sturg33 said:
Overturning roe was a pro democracy decision.

The voters in states are free to remove their their governors who sign baby saving legislation if they wish

In the meantime, tens of thousands of babies have been saved, and thethe thinks that was a strategic mistake
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Show me when I said those states made a mistake for signing those.

You have this habit of putting words into peoples mouths and it gets worse when over time your positions become embarrassingly wrong.
 
thethe said:
He still doesn't get what a terrible strategic decision it is to run a national campaign on more stringent abortion positions.

The correct LONG term play is to allow the states to sort it out for themselves and continue to educate the population on the horrors of abortion.
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Literally RDSs a option strategy is what you describe above

He has said countless times it is a state issue and he recognizes not all states are the same

Let Biden and Newsom go to bat for abortion til birth. Let the people hear that argument.

Your skinless position is as cowardly as your cult leader is
 
sturg33 said:
Literally RDSs a option strategy is what you describe above

He has said countless times it is a state issue and he recognizes not all states are the same

Let Biden and Newsom go to bat for abortion til birth. Let the people hear that argument.

Your skinless position is as cowardly as your cult leader is
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CULT CULT CULT!!!

As you foam from the mouth watching your guy slip into the low teens.

As HRC once said, "Why aren't I up 50 points?!?!?!"
 
thethe said:
Show me when I said those states made a mistake for signing those.

You have this habit of putting words into peoples mouths and it gets worse when over time your positions become embarrassingly wrong.
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You said any politician who has presidential ambitions should not save babies lives today

If I'm wrong feel free to correct the record
 
thethe said:
CULT CULT CULT!!!

As you foam from the mouth watching your guy slip into the low teens.

As HRC once said, "Why aren't I up 50 points?!?!?!"
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Lol your boy is begging everyone to drop out because he's broke and too afraid to debate them

I noticed you didn't comment on the Soros AG being suspended... shocking I know. Bet that was too harsh! Bad strategy!
 
sturg33 said:
You said any politician who has presidential ambitions should not save babies lives today

If I'm wrong feel free to correct the record
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So you're saying that is the same statement as "In the meantime, tens of thousands of babies have been saved, and thethe thinks that was a strategic mistake"

Weird analysis you're providing here.

Acutally, its just flat out lies.
 
sturg33 said:
Lol your boy is begging everyone to drop out because he's broke and too afraid to debate them

I noticed you didn't comment on the Soros AG being suspended... shocking I know. Bet that was too harsh! Bad strategy!
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Am I surprised that Desantis is doing a good job in Florida a ruby red state? Can you show me where I have trashed Desantis on his governing?

Hysterical you think Trump is afraid of the GOP stiffs. Hoo boy
 
thethe said:
So you're saying that is the same statement as "In the meantime, tens of thousands of babies have been saved, and thethe thinks that was a strategic mistake"

Weird analysis you're providing here.

Acutally, its just flat out lies.
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Yes that is precisely the same
 
thethe said:
Am I surprised that Desantis is doing a good job in Florida a ruby red state? Can you show me where I have trashed Desantis on his governing?

Hysterical you think Trump is afraid of the GOP stiffs. Hoo boy
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Yes once again while Trump tweets RDS gets **** done... a weird move by the uniparty establishment shill once again

Do you agree with Trump skipping debates?
 
thethe said:
He still doesn't get what a terrible strategic decision it is to run a national campaign on more stringent abortion positions.

The correct LONG term play is to allow the states to sort it out for themselves and continue to educate the population on the horrors of abortion.
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I don't think this can be gamed as some sort of strategic choice. The Supreme Court overruled a very poor precedent (none other than Justice Ginsburg has commented on the sweeping overreach embodied in Roe v Wade) and returned the matter to the political arena, where it belongs. There are some very socially conservative states that will have strict anti-abortion laws. But that's not where most of the country is (including quite a few red states). The places where it will remain as an issue are those where referenda are not available as a tool for settling the matter. In those cases there could be a divergence between what the political system produces and what most of the voters want and it will remain a contentious issue. In most of the country it will get settled and we will move on.

It could also be that abortion will remain an issue in national politics long after it has been settled in most states. But I suspect the Republicans will eventually adopt a politically neutral federalist position on this. Abortion is bad but should be left as a matter for states to sort out. Ditto for the Democrats. What's interesting though is that there is a strong faction in both parties that want it to be a federal issue. I don't think they will prevail but it is not out of the realm of possibility that it will remain a potent national issue after most states have settled the matter.
 
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thethe said:
Am I surprised that Desantis is doing a good job in Florida a ruby red state? Can you show me where I have trashed Desantis on his governing?
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But wait! RDS has presidential aspirations! Aren't you afraid pro criminal leftists and the media are going to be mean to him about this? Call him a fascist tyrant? Threat to democracy? It's going to cost us elections!!!

We can't use our power when we get because we don't want leftists to be mad at us!!!

(Perfect summary of Trump by the way)
 
sturg33 said:
But wait! RDS has presidential aspirations! Aren't you afraid pro criminal leftists and the media are going to be mean to him about this? Call him a fascist tyrant? Threat to democracy? It's going to cost us elections!!!

We can't use our power when we get because we don't want leftists to be mad at us!!!

(Perfect summary of Trump by the way)
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You think I'm worried about what leftists think about abortion.

What a tool.
 
sturg33 said:
She like many have realized what a failure Trump was an wish to upgrade
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You responded to her commentary about how abortion debates are being won by pro-choice all over that the cultists are siding with Democrats.

And she just happens to be one of the first trump supporters that ditched him when she didn't like what she saw.

But sure - CULTISTS!
 
sturg33 said:
Yes once again while Trump tweets RDS gets **** done... a weird move by the uniparty establishment shill once again

Do you agree with Trump skipping debates?
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There is zero upside for Trump entering the debate. Especially one hosted by the Murdoch family that is outwardly anti-Trump.

He's going to crush it in the primary and he is basically projected to win in every national poll for President which wasn't the case in many polls leading up to 2016/2020.
 
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