msstate7
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How does our 1-3 match up with the dodgers (NL #2)?
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How does our 1-3 match up with the dodgers (NL #2)?
bravesfanMatt
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Come playoff time is a different story. We could be looking at Fried, Strider, then Mort/Elder with Wright as a piggyback and a non scrub bullpen.
If that doesn't happen, then I still like our chances with a healthy Fried and Strider anchoring.. as long as Twit doesn't cave and let Strider chase some stupid K record that means nothing. Him being healthy and 100% come playoff time is way more important.
If that doesn't happen, then I still like our chances with a healthy Fried and Strider anchoring.. as long as Twit doesn't cave and let Strider chase some stupid K record that means nothing. Him being healthy and 100% come playoff time is way more important.
Cormier's Spring
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Are there service-time implications for keeping Soroka in the minors? He's supposed to be a free agent after next season.
Can he be kept down long enough to gain another year of control?
Can he be kept down long enough to gain another year of control?
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bravesfanMatt
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Good question. But I bet he would have had to be down most of the year.
50PoundHead
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msstate7
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What 1-3 group do you like better in the NL?
Deester11
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There are a cluster of pitch NL staffs that are comparable. San Diego, San Francisco and The Dodgers. The first three all have better WHIP's and 2 of the 3 better ERA's. They are interchangeable maybe, but it comes down to who you trust. I think Strider (depending of if he gets frustrated with not striking out everyone) and Max are a good 1-2 combo. But after that, sorry...you can miss me with Morton/Elder talk. They are as iffy as they come. Now as I say that, the Dodgers would have Urias/Kershaw/Lynn..with Gonsolin and Miller. I like that staff. The Padres...well, Darvish/Hill/Snell even Seth Lugo are decent enough.
So, some of you are reacting as if a few of us like myself and 50 are saying the Braves rotation won't do squat in the playoffs. In reality, I say it would have been better to have another SP option that is more of a solid piece. Not just a contributor. I mean..Cheerios ain't it. Sample size..whatever you call it. Elder has earned some semblance of leeway, but he's been brutal. Morton...he's a one on two off kinda guy at this point. Maybe we pray he's on in the playoffs.
Padres aren't even making the playoffs so they are a non factor.
Yes, the back end of the Braves playoff rotation is going to be iffy. It always was and always will be carried on the backs of Fried and Strider. In fact Strider and Fried and currently the only 2 starters in the NL that are going to have sub 2 FIPS. Wheeler may get there but imo the Braves clearly have the 2 best starters in the league. Morton and Elder are low 4 FIP guys right now which lines up with what most other playoff teams are bringing to the table for those games. In other words, they aren't going to be severally out classed in their pitching matchups.
Deester11
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And the point remains. Nothing you posted says confidence in the playoffs outside of the first two. Additionally, there is a reason I am even ecstatic about this team and it has to do with the offense which continues to be on the cusp of records. Severally outclassed....no. Outclassed, I still think so. But it's just one opinion.
It's the playoffs any anything can happen. But we are going to be facing startres with FIP's in the 4's whenever Eder or Morton are out there.
Having 2 dominate starters in the playoffs with our offense gives me extreme confidence. But again it's playoff baseball so anything can happen.
Deester11
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Yep. I'm neither here nor there with the first two. I've stated that. Perhaps I'll be wringing my hand for nothing. But that wouldn't be a bad thing for me. Playoff baseball. We shall see. (I'll be wearing that shirt)
Saturday.
Why do you keep asking this as if you're going to use it as a gotcha moment?
First, teams use 4 SPs in the playoffs, not 3. So why are you stuck on asking about 1-3?
Second, the relative strength of the Top 1-4 has no bearing on the fact that it's the weakest portion on the Braves roster. It stands to reason we would want the strongest 1-4 possible to maximize the probability of winning in October. This last 5-5 stretch of games should expose the very basic reasoning involved here...if this 5-5 stretch happens in October due to poor SP performances, that would be most unfortunate.
So yeah, AA should have acquired another SP. Continuing to ask "yeah, but, who has a better 1-3" is irrelevant, and proving nothing counter to that statement in any way.
But since you keep asking, I would prefer the following 1-4 over the Braves Fried (.222), Strider (.277), Elder (.325), Morton (.340)
Padres with Musgrove (.276), Darvish (.301), Snell (.305), Wacha (.316) with Lugo (.324) in reserve
Phillies with Wheeler (.284), Nola (.305), Lorenzen (.310), Walker (.317) with Strahm (.281) in reserve
Are you starting to see the disadvantage the Braves are going to have in Games 3 and 4? Are you starting to understand how bad things get if one of Fried/Strider is unable to pitch? Remember Fried, the guy who has a TJ surgery and is now coming back from elbow inflammation? Is any of the concern around the 1-4 SPs starting to make any sense?
Shall I do the same for Texas, even though they are in the AL?
Padres with Musgrove (.276), Darvish (.301), Snell (.305), Wacha (.316) with Lugo (.324) in reserve
Phillies with Wheeler (.284), Nola (.305), Lorenzen (.310), Walker (.317) with Strahm (.281) in reserve
Are you starting to see the disadvantage the Braves are going to have in Games 3 and 4? Are you starting to understand how bad things get if one of Fried/Strider is unable to pitch? Remember Fried, the guy who has a TJ surgery and is now coming back from elbow inflammation? Is any of the concern around the 1-4 SPs starting to make any sense?
Shall I do the same for Texas, even though they are in the AL?
I don't really care what his xWOBA is or that he just had a no hitter, I'm taking Elder over Lorenzen every day. Lorenzen is pushing far beyond his career innings limit with every start. And he's been a career reliever up until last year. I'm not buying him being an effective starter come October.
Morton has a better FIP than Walker and has an established history of being a big game pitcher.
Strahm isn't really a starter.
I'll take our rotation easily, and that is without Wright coming back.
Morton has a better FIP than Walker and has an established history of being a big game pitcher.
Strahm isn't really a starter.
I'll take our rotation easily, and that is without Wright coming back.
msstate7
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Not sure why we'd even discuss SD; they're 4.5 games out of WC with 4 teams ahead of them for WC #3.
About Philly... right now they'd have to win a series vs SF to play the braves. I doubt seriously they'd be able to line up wheeler vs fried, so our advantage in that game would be even greater in game 1 and 5. Strider would be able to go twice also.