2023 Misc Braves Talk

Are you hinting to AA maybe trading Acuna. Would AA have the balls to do that.. no thank you on that decision..

I'm interested what AA actually does with Ronald. His contract expires at his age 30-31 season. I dont think you can extend him past say, age 35. Those deals on the backend, usually end in a disaster. But Ronald's camp will probably want a 8-10+ year deal. Ozzie might be the easier one to extend of the two. I think he could/would take a somewhat discount to stay, and his deal ends a year before Ronald's.
 
I'm interested what AA actually does with Ronald. His contract expires at his age 30-31 season. I dont think you can extend him past say, age 35. Those deals on the backend, usually end in a disaster. But Ronald's camp will probably want a 8-10+ year deal. Ozzie might be the easier one to extend of the two. I think he could/would take a somewhat discount to stay, and his deal ends a year before Ronald's.

I think we should all just accept that Acuna will be gone, to the highest bidder. Especially if AA is still here. He has shown he's not willing to pay a premium for a players years after 30.
 
I think we should all just accept that Acuna will be gone, to the highest bidder. Especially if AA is still here. He has shown he's not willing to pay a premium for a players years after 30.

You're talking about maybe the GOAT who happens to be black in a majority African American city in the American South.

That's going to matter, and it should.

I think letting Acuna walk would be an awful decision for the Braves and baseball at large. Especially if he wins 4-5 titles and MVPs.

He is too important to the city's and region's culture.

We don't want to be a bunch of white nerds like the Dodgers were a few years ago.
 
You're talking about maybe the GOAT who happens to be black in a majority African American city in the American South.

That's going to matter, and it should.

I think letting Acuna walk would be an awful decision for the Braves and baseball at large. Especially if he wins 4-5 titles and MVPs.

He is too important to the city's and region's culture.

We don't want to be a bunch of white nerds like the Dodgers were a few years ago.

4-5 titles? If we get one more with Ronald, i'd consider that a success. Astros window may be closing, and they got 2 from 17-22. Incredibly difficult to win a WS.
 
I think we should all just accept that Acuna will be gone, to the highest bidder. Especially if AA is still here. He has shown he's not willing to pay a premium for a players years after 30.

Well, Riley and Olson are both signed until their age 35 seasons, with an option for age 36. If Ronald would take a 5-1, i could see AA do that, i dont think Ronald's agency would do that though.
 
Acuna changed agents for a reason, and it wasn’t to take another team friendly deal.

I do think restructuring Albies deal could make sense. Give him a much more reasonable AAV in exchange for another 1-2 years of control.

Either way, everything hinges on the system continuing to produce guys like Strider and Harris…which holds for every single organization in the sport. If that doesn’t happen, they will eventually have to rebuild…just like every organization.
 
Acuna changed agents for a reason, and it wasn’t to take another team friendly deal.

I do think restructuring Albies deal could make sense. Give him a much more reasonable AAV in exchange for another 1-2 years of control.

Either way, everything hinges on the system continuing to produce guys like Strider and Harris…which holds for every single organization in the sport. If that doesn’t happen, they will eventually have to rebuild…just like every organization.

I feel like the time to approach Ozzie and Acuña may be next offseason when Fried Ozuna and most likely Rosario come off the books.
 
Well, Riley and Olson are both signed until their age 35 seasons, with an option for age 36. If Ronald would take a 5-1, i could see AA do that, i dont think Ronald's agency would do that though.

Yes but those contracts also bought their prime years. The next Acuna contract will be his post prime, and he will likely be looking for the longest deal possible. Another team will give it to him.
 
Acuna changed agents for a reason, and it wasn’t to take another team friendly deal.

I do think restructuring Albies deal could make sense. Give him a much more reasonable AAV in exchange for another 1-2 years of control.

Either way, everything hinges on the system continuing to produce guys like Strider and Harris…which holds for every single organization in the sport. If that doesn’t happen, they will eventually have to rebuild…just like every organization.

I like the Albies idea, and your idea seems like something he'd reasonably be interested in.
 
Great article. But I think as you've astutely pointed out in the past. It all looks good until some of these players who received extensions start tanking. Then it may require a rebuild.

It's going to happen sometime that someone tanks unexpectedly but it doesn't say much about the decision making.
 
I like the Albies idea, and your idea seems like something he'd reasonably be interested in.

I’m constantly amazed how Ozzie makes his batting profile work. Little guy who doesn’t hit the ball hard with a high swing rate with extreme flyball tendencies and significant platoon splits yet somehow manages to be above average year after year after year.
 
I’m constantly amazed how Ozzie makes his batting profile work. Little guy who doesn’t hit the ball hard with a high swing rate with extreme flyball tendencies and significant platoon splits yet somehow manages to be above average year after year after year.

Albies is short, but he isn’t exactly little. There’s very real MLB power packed in that 5’6 frame.

He is a testament to what a 70 grade hit tool paired with a 45% fly ball rate can produce despite all the other flaws in his offensive game.
 
You're talking about maybe the GOAT who happens to be black in a majority African American city in the American South.

That's going to matter, and it should.

I think letting Acuna walk would be an awful decision for the Braves and baseball at large. Especially if he wins 4-5 titles and MVPs.

He is too important to the city's and region's culture.

We don't want to be a bunch of white nerds like the Dodgers were a few years ago.

I realize he is indeed black, but he is Latin American. Latino culture and African American culture are vastly different. I don't think he appeals to the AA community quite as much as you think, just because of his skin color.
 
I realize he is indeed black, but he is Latin American. Latino culture and African American culture are vastly different. I don't think he appeals to the AA community quite as much as you think, just because of his skin color.

Ronald loves the NBA. His celebrations evoke Trae Young and LeBron. He even named his son Jamal after Jamal Crawford. I am sure that’s a major reason he showboats.
 
I actually think we are well positioned to sign Acuna again. He is currently making $17mm a year until 2028! That is 5 more seasons. That is a really long time for Acuna to only be making $17mm. Its ironic but the reason will be able to extend him is because of how good the current contract is.

Our leverage is we could do nothing and ensure the next 5-years he makes $17mm - and by definition we are the only team that can increase that - and we clearly view him as worth way more than that.

Just using dummy numbers, lets say this offseason we offered to add another 5-year extension to his deal for $35mm per year to the current contract. That would be his age 30-35 seasons. In that same scenario we could also agree to increase the next 5-years to $35mm per year. That would really be the equivalent of telling him that by agreeing to a 5-year extension at $35mm, you really are playing out your current contract, and then getting an extension for 5-years at $52mm per year ($35mm + the $17mm increase over the next 5-years). In that same example, we are basically saying on top of all of that, will give you half of the money from the second 5-year contract over the first 5-year contract.

In that same example if he declined the deal and played out his contract, then to be made full as a free agent, he would have to earn $52mm per year over the ensuing 5-years period.

It obviously is not quite that simple and this is a generic example. I'm sure he will also be focused on delivering something closer to a 10-year contract extension at age 30, but the point is, we have really good levers to solve for a "max free agent contract level" just by restructuring the current deal, in exchange for somewhat reasonable levels on the extended years.
 
My rough guess is the only way Acuna extends again is if he gets the largest contact in MLB history. Something like tearing up his current deal and replacing it with one that’s $430M+ covering the rest of his career is roughly what it will take.
 
I realize he is indeed black, but he is Latin American. Latino culture and African American culture are vastly different. I don't think he appeals to the AA community quite as much as you think, just because of his skin color.

Right. But Latino culture is at the very least black adjacent.

It's definitely different from stuffy white baseball culture.
 
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