2025-2026 offseason thread

The Murphy trade looked genius up until the 2023 all star break when Meth was the best catcher in baseball by a mile.

Before the Georgia heat destroyed him
 
I wouldn't be remotely shocked to him return back to being the best catcher in baseball once he's fully healthy though. Being so good for so long while injured is insane.
 
Um.. what stats are we looking at for Meth.. dude had 1.5 good season offensively and everything else is average to below average at best.. once framing is taken out of WAR calcs, he will be a 1 to maybe 2 war player.. he is already on the wrong side of 30 and can't handle hot weather.. And no, no one was saying he was going to miss any time to start the season.. I will gladly wait for someone to post their post on that. He had hip surgery in Sept and recovery at that time was around 4 months.. Nov update was, the Braves don't know anything and will know more closer to spring.. now it is he is expected to miss some time.. yeah, that sounds like there was a set back in my book. At this point the Braves would have to kick in money to trade him.

And I never said that was a good trade.. not even at the time.. it was stupid when it happened and it even dumber now. WC was an young athletic catcher who was getting better and was well liked by the Latino contingency on the Braves.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
Um.. what stats are we looking at for Meth.. dude had 1.5 good season offensively and everything else is average to below average at best.. once framing is taken out of WAR calcs, he will be a 1 to maybe 2 war player.. he is already on the wrong side of 30 and can't handle hot weather.. And no, no one was saying he was going to miss any time to start the season.. I will gladly wait for someone to post their post on that. He had hip surgery in Sept and recovery at that time was around 4 months.. Nov update was, the Braves don't know anything and will know more closer to spring.. now it is he is expected to miss some time.. yeah, that sounds like there was a set back in my book. At this point the Braves would have to kick in money to trade him.

And I never said that was a good trade.. not even at the time.. it was stupid when it happened and it even dumber now. WC was an young athletic catcher who was getting better and was well liked by the Latino contingency on the Braves.
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1) He's had more than 1.5 good seasons offensively.
2) Framing is just a part of catcher defense and Murphy, while good at it, isn't just what makes him a good defensive catcher. In terms of runs saved since 2020 Murphy is 12th in framing, 10th in throwing, and first in blocking.

ABS is not going to make Murphy a 1 WAR catcher. lmao
 
Mad Dog Murph said:
Oh look. Matt doesn’t like something. Thats new. I’d be more worried if you actually liked the trade, or anything related to the Braves. I’d send EMS to do a welfare check. 😂
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don't be mad that I call them as I see them.. I've been the schwelly hype man since his first stat cast data.. been the most vocal that Strider will return to form with conditioning and rest this offseason. The Sale trade was perfect for this team.. used an asset that had no place and got a risky pitcher that has history of being great and filled an area of need. Loved the Lopez signing, but hated the way twit used him.. loved a ton of those extensions.. even the ones that are not looking great (looking at you fat harris).. I also pumped the draft last year.. liked how he spread the money around in the first 5 rounds (hoping this year to get better bang for the 9th pick though)..

But trading a young catcher for an older one that had to be extended was a terrible move.. it wasn't a win now because there were other holes that needed attention. I said as much then and still feel that way..

I can love the Braves and be critical of decisions I think are questionable... I know I have been wrong many times when doing so and don't hate AA when a decision that is ok turns bad.. but the Murph decision was Hector O'turd level dumb..
 
Mad Dog Murph said:
Oh look. Matt doesn’t like something. Thats new. I’d be more worried if you actually liked the trade, or anything related to the Braves. I’d send EMS to do a welfare check. 😂
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Exactly, when you whine about literally everything you’re bound to be right eventually. Maybe it’s alcohol that makes some emotional idk
 
thewupk said:
1) He's had more than 1.5 good seasons offensively.
2) Framing is just a part of catcher defense and Murphy, while good at it, isn't just what makes him a good defensive catcher. In terms of runs saved since 2020 Murphy is 12th in framing, 10th in throwing, and first in blocking.

ABS is not going to make Murphy a 1 WAR catcher. lmao
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if you think .700ish OPS is better than good, then I guess you are correcty..
If you think a catcher on the wrong side of 30 with a bad hip is going to still be top of league blocker and thrower, then I guess you are right
I mean, AA has basically said Murph is a part time player.. Profar is going to be primary DH which means Baldwin will probably be catching 60%+ of the time.. doesn't sound like the Braves even have much faith in him..
 
Super said:
Exactly, when you whine about literally everything you’re bound to be right eventually. Maybe it’s alcohol that makes some emotional idk
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what am I wrong about..

twit is a dummy
murph is terrible
harris was overweight
AA hasn't done anything the past few years and looking like some fringe moves again this year.. (even said this can be a great offseason with a few more moves.. but not sure he is going to)

I think you think you are being funny with the drunk take.. but that doesn't bug me and if you get a few laughs from others then congrats on making you feel better about your life.. I am going to keep posting the way I post.. and if Murph gets significant playing time this year and proves me wrong, I will be first to admit I was wrong, which is way more than you have ever done here.. but I am going on record as saying he will get about 200 - 300abs... be around a .200 hitter sub .700 ops and basically be a back up catcher by the end of the year. now you make a prediction.. do something other than telling others they are wrong..
 
Metaphysicist said:
BBRef, which does not include framing, has Murphy as averaging 2.6 WAR for us over his three seasons. They have him at 4.5 WAR per 162 games. That’s a good catcher, and definitely worth his contract. It would be better if he had been more healthy, but that’s life.
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I can't speak to Bref.. I don't ever use their WAR system as I feel it is always inferior to fnagraphs... I would have to educate myself on their calcs to even try to speak intelligently about it. I would assume they use blocking as a big factor and they may have a huge positional bump for catcher as well.. but IDK to be honest. I would have to look at the catcher top 100 WAR leader and see who is around him to gauge it..
 
bravesfanMatt said:
if you think .700ish OPS is better than good, then I guess you are correcty..
If you think a catcher on the wrong side of 30 with a bad hip is going to still be top of league blocker and thrower, then I guess you are right
I mean, AA has basically said Murph is a part time player.. Profar is going to be primary DH which means Baldwin will probably be catching 60%+ of the time.. doesn't sound like the Braves even have much faith in him..
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WRC+ over 120 in 2020, 2022, and 2023. Those are good offensive seasons regardless of what position he plays. WRC+ of 100 in 2021 was good for a catcher.

Murphy was 7th in throwing last year and 5th in blocking. That's with him being out over half the year. The injury concern is real but he's still a top tier defensive catcher.
 
NYCBrave said:
It's also important to note that even though many of us love William Contreras, it would appear he's surpassed all expectations with how good of a player he's become.
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This is not accurate. Anyone who bothered to do any research understood his 850 OPS over 376 PAs in 2022 was mostly legit. He was, at absolute worst, a cheap 800+ OPS DH who could spend some time at C, and hasn't meaningfully improved offensively other than cutting out some Ks that didn't affect his overall results.

The fact the Brewers were able to immediately turn him into a positive behind the plate speaks more towards a deficiency in the Braves development system than anything else.
 
Enscheff said:
This is not accurate. Anyone who bothered to do any research understood his 850 OPS over 376 PAs in 2022 was mostly legit. He was, at absolute worst, a cheap 800+ OPS DH who could spend some time at C, and hasn't meaningfully improved offensively other than cutting out some Ks that didn't affect his overall results.

The fact the Brewers were able to immediately turn him into a positive behind the plate speaks more towards a deficiency in the Braves development system than anything else.
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Actually I think it speaks more to the Brewers development of catchers. It's the thing they do.

Since 2010 (When Lucroy showed up) the Brewers +180 DRS for catchers is by far the best in baseball.
 
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