chop2chip
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There’s no requirement for the leader of the house to carry water regardless of how idiotic the electorate
119th Congress or Red Wave In Adult Land
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nsacpi
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There isn't. But this is one of those situations where people have accommodated themselves that I imagine future generations will puzzle themselves over. How did all of the thangs that go with Donald Trump become acceptable. I'm not sure why Johnson should be held to a higher standard than the rest of society.
nsacpi
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Also not unusual. Every speaker knows that there will be a political price to be paid in the mid-terms. I'm not a fan of his, but I don't understand this expectation that he diverge from how his predecessors have related to presidents of their own party. It would be very unusual if there were any political daylight between him and the president.
The only exception I can think of is at the very end of Watergate, John Rhodes, Hugh Scott and Barry Goldwater went in to explain to Nixon that his support on the Hill had evaporated. And that was at the bitter end. Before that all three were extremely loyal to Nixon.
Nothing like that is going to happen to Trump because his core voters have shown they will stick with him no matter what. And they are a big enough group that it would be political suicide for anyone in the Republican Party to turn on him. Look at what happened to the Republicans who voted to impeach him during his first term.
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Being feckless in the face of the President of your own party isn’t unusual. Doing so to protect pedophiles when you ran on fighting pedophiles is a little more unusual.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
The fighting against pedophiles thang was mostly a wink-wink at the Q crowd, for whom a global pedophile ring is a central element of their cosmology. The trafficking of children is a serious problem. But we shouldn't confuse that actual for real problem with the politics of winking at conspiracy theorists with batshit crazy ideas.
sturg33
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You continue to post as if you dont believe there is any fire from the Epstein situation
sturg33
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You seem perfectly content with the US moving on from this issue... which i presume means you think there was not wrongdoing or that you are content with punishment for it
I’m genuinely not unfriendly to your point here, but this move doesn’t even make sense within that context. If you’ve chosen to make a bed where you lie with people who are overly invested in the Epstein stuff, I don’t see how you get out of this situation unscathed if you run cover for Trump here. If Trump *is* implicated in them, either they’ll get released and you can move on from the backlash by bringing it to light, or the Trump DOJ will put the brakes on it. If Trump is not implicated, you’re just allowing the narrative to be built that you’re covering for him and letting the rumor mill churn. It’s a lose-lose to even suggest you don’t want to release the files, let alone suggest such a vote should put a stop to all legislative work.
To put it another way, how do you successfully rebut this criticism politically if you’re a House Republican right now? How do you just cede the fucking Epstein Files of all things to the Dems? I think this is a monumental political blunder, and it’s honestly fucking hilarious because like it doesn’t actually matter? Sure, it matters in the sense that it’s good to protect children and expose predators, but there’s likely sparse incriminating details to be found to begin with, and it’s statistically deeply unlikely to affect the average person’s life whether these details are released or not. Just seems like an absurd line to draw to blow up your base.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
When vanity and large egos come into play, logic sometimes goes out the window. We have a group of people here who have spent a lot of time and effort bending reality. I think they're counting on their ability to do it again. So far they have gotten their followers to buy into the new nonsense they are peddling. I don't think there is any logical plan they are following. They making stuff up on the fly. Should be interesting to see how it plays out.
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Thomas Massie introducing a bill to release files the President and AG are pretending to be dedicated to releasing (in their own limited way they can control) being construed here as persecution against Johnson or Trump kind of gives away the game.
I also would like to pose one question to the crowd that believes the Epstein Files were doctored by the Dems to “get” Trump and that have loudly proclaimed if the Dems had evidence of Trump’s involvement they would have used it… Do you genuinely believe they were able to make such reliable fake files that Trump would be implicated without being able to show it was a lie, but then chose not to use it? Was it some sort of 5D Chess where the President would be duped into showing the world their lies about him?
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
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I think there are probably lots of embarrassing things in those files. Embarrassing for Trump and others. But no more damning for him than what is already publicly available.
You have to remember who we are dealing with. This is the guy who claims he never doodled. Or met E. Jean Carroll. And if he did she was not his type. He's actually a terrible liar. For anyone caring to discern. But you have one group that doesn't want to see anything. And another group that sort of got used to the lies and just accept it as part of the package.
I think there are probably lots of embarrassing things in those files. Embarrassing for Trump and others. But no more damning for him than what is already publicly available.
You have to remember who we are dealing with. This is the guy who claims he never doodled. Or met E. Jean Carroll. And if he did she was not his type. He's actually a terrible liar. For anyone caring to discern. But you have one group that doesn't want to see anything. And another group that sort of got used to the lies and just accept it as part of the package.
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I remember early on in the year he was a voice of reason in the Gaetz discussion. Then at some point this guy just decided he wanted to be the MAGA Senator and he began telling the dumbest, most provable lies imaginable.
Also, the sheer amount of people just talking about how Jake Tapper is a liar in response to this clip is concerning to the point that I hope they’re just AI bot accounts.