2016-2017 Off-Season Thread
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bravesfanMatt
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A lot of Braves related chatter on the FG chat today:
Coppy
12:08 Who on the Braves roster now is the most likely not to be there come opening day?
Eno Sarris
12:08 Ender Inciarte? Seems like Mallex Smith can do about the same thing.
BarryBaker
12:38 Is Rob Whalen a number 5 starter for the Mariners of a multiple inning reliever this season?
Eno Sarris
12:38 Sixth starter swing man type.
Ian
12:41 You don't view Ender as a player they keep? 25 years old, 4 years of control, top flight defender in CF, 290 hitter.
Eno Sarris
12:41 I think they want to get a pitcher and he's one of their better pieces to build around.
Jim
12:42 Trading from depth to address need - Soler and Candelerio for Newcomb and Allard. Who says no?
Eno Sarris
12:42 Braves.
Youngman
12:44 Is it starting to look like the Braves have lost just about all faith in Matt Wisler, Aaron Blair, Tyrell Jenkins, and John Gant?
Eno Sarris
12:44 I can tell you for sure no on at least two of those.
Andrew
12:52 On a scale from 1 to 10, how stupid is it to go out of your way to align team success the opening of a new ballpark?
Eno Sarris
12:53 I'm not going all the way to 10 if that's stupid. You get attendance bounces two ways: new park and winning, from what I've read. If you can be good in year two or three of a new park, you can ride the wave into some sustainability.
Shawn Coleman
12:54 The Braves want a cost controlled top of the rotation arm, and the A's want a centerfielder. Does it make sense for both to do something around Inciarte for Gray? I know the pitcher is more valuable than a defensive first centerfielder, but is the extra cost now worth it since it may be less with Gray coming off a down year? It just seems to be a really good match that checks off each teams top priority, and that seems to be a point that would attract beane to make a move, especially when the Inciarte is still cheap for a few years.
Eno Sarris
12:54 I'm sure they're talking, and I'm sure that Gray is not number one on the Braves' list.
Tom
12:55 You mentioned earlier you felt Mallex could do about the same as Inciarte. Are you saying you feel Mallex could be a 2-3+ win a season player? Or do you feel Inciarte is overrated?
Eno Sarris
12:55 I think Mallex has enough speed, defense, and patience to be an average major leaguer yeah.
Logan
12:59 Hey Eno! What is your take on the Alex Jackson trade?
Eno Sarris
12:59 I think the Braves have more use for a lotto ticket like Jackson than two useful arms that might pitch on the back end of a staff.
Coppy
12:08 Who on the Braves roster now is the most likely not to be there come opening day?
Eno Sarris
12:08 Ender Inciarte? Seems like Mallex Smith can do about the same thing.
BarryBaker
12:38 Is Rob Whalen a number 5 starter for the Mariners of a multiple inning reliever this season?
Eno Sarris
12:38 Sixth starter swing man type.
Ian
12:41 You don't view Ender as a player they keep? 25 years old, 4 years of control, top flight defender in CF, 290 hitter.
Eno Sarris
12:41 I think they want to get a pitcher and he's one of their better pieces to build around.
Jim
12:42 Trading from depth to address need - Soler and Candelerio for Newcomb and Allard. Who says no?
Eno Sarris
12:42 Braves.
Youngman
12:44 Is it starting to look like the Braves have lost just about all faith in Matt Wisler, Aaron Blair, Tyrell Jenkins, and John Gant?
Eno Sarris
12:44 I can tell you for sure no on at least two of those.
Andrew
12:52 On a scale from 1 to 10, how stupid is it to go out of your way to align team success the opening of a new ballpark?
Eno Sarris
12:53 I'm not going all the way to 10 if that's stupid. You get attendance bounces two ways: new park and winning, from what I've read. If you can be good in year two or three of a new park, you can ride the wave into some sustainability.
Shawn Coleman
12:54 The Braves want a cost controlled top of the rotation arm, and the A's want a centerfielder. Does it make sense for both to do something around Inciarte for Gray? I know the pitcher is more valuable than a defensive first centerfielder, but is the extra cost now worth it since it may be less with Gray coming off a down year? It just seems to be a really good match that checks off each teams top priority, and that seems to be a point that would attract beane to make a move, especially when the Inciarte is still cheap for a few years.
Eno Sarris
12:54 I'm sure they're talking, and I'm sure that Gray is not number one on the Braves' list.
Tom
12:55 You mentioned earlier you felt Mallex could do about the same as Inciarte. Are you saying you feel Mallex could be a 2-3+ win a season player? Or do you feel Inciarte is overrated?
Eno Sarris
12:55 I think Mallex has enough speed, defense, and patience to be an average major leaguer yeah.
Logan
12:59 Hey Eno! What is your take on the Alex Jackson trade?
Eno Sarris
12:59 I think the Braves have more use for a lotto ticket like Jackson than two useful arms that might pitch on the back end of a staff.
Shawn Coleman
12:54 The Braves want a cost controlled top of the rotation arm, and the A's want a centerfielder. Does it make sense for both to do something around Inciarte for Gray? I know the pitcher is more valuable than a defensive first centerfielder, but is the extra cost now worth it since it may be less with Gray coming off a down year? It just seems to be a really good match that checks off each teams top priority, and that seems to be a point that would attract beane to make a move, especially when the Inciarte is still cheap for a few years.
Eno Sarris
12:54 I'm sure they're talking, and I'm sure that Gray is not number one on the Braves' list.
Ender (plus a little if necessary)for Manaea would make loads of sense to me. More control and fits our timeline much better IMO. Not sure that would be enough for Beane, but they'd still have Gray, Graveman, Bassitt, Cotton, Alcantara, Puk, Holmes, Chalmers, Shore, and Overton.
Then Billy-Boy shops Gray at the deadline if/when he bounces back.
12:54 The Braves want a cost controlled top of the rotation arm, and the A's want a centerfielder. Does it make sense for both to do something around Inciarte for Gray? I know the pitcher is more valuable than a defensive first centerfielder, but is the extra cost now worth it since it may be less with Gray coming off a down year? It just seems to be a really good match that checks off each teams top priority, and that seems to be a point that would attract beane to make a move, especially when the Inciarte is still cheap for a few years.
Eno Sarris
12:54 I'm sure they're talking, and I'm sure that Gray is not number one on the Braves' list.
Ender (plus a little if necessary)for Manaea would make loads of sense to me. More control and fits our timeline much better IMO. Not sure that would be enough for Beane, but they'd still have Gray, Graveman, Bassitt, Cotton, Alcantara, Puk, Holmes, Chalmers, Shore, and Overton.
Then Billy-Boy shops Gray at the deadline if/when he bounces back.
dak
Well-known member
One thing seems abundantly clear at this point, we are pursuing Sale big-league. This is more than a due-diligence operation. This is a very consequential decision, and I hope Hart is not going to let Coppy make a bad choice here. I expect that CHW will ask for everyone's best offers at the WM next week. Just hoping HOU or someone else beats our best offer.
UNCBlue012
Well-known member
Yeah, I absolutely think you're right. It may not happen, but I think we're having pretty regular conversations with the White Sox. I would prefer to keep Albies as well, sacrificing Folty or Teheran -- though I obviously trade Folty way before Teheran. I think Albies will be huge for our lineup moving forward.
bravesnumberone
Well-known member
Saw this note about the potential Nats/Pirates trade:
"Talks between the Nationals and Pirates have continued into the morning, tweets Stephen J. Nesbitt of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. The Pirates have been breaking down video footage of Nationals prospects this morning, he adds. The Nats remained “in the lead” for McCutchen as of late last night, per MLB Network’s Jon Morosi (on Twitter), though Morosi notes that the Rangers have been in contact with the Pirates about McCutchen as well."
The question that immediately sprung to my mind was why in the world would they need to be breaking down footage of the Nat's prospects? Does this mean the Pirates are going to trade the face of their franchise for prospects they don't know enough about from viewing live, so they have to resort to watching video on them?
"Talks between the Nationals and Pirates have continued into the morning, tweets Stephen J. Nesbitt of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. The Pirates have been breaking down video footage of Nationals prospects this morning, he adds. The Nats remained “in the lead” for McCutchen as of late last night, per MLB Network’s Jon Morosi (on Twitter), though Morosi notes that the Rangers have been in contact with the Pirates about McCutchen as well."
The question that immediately sprung to my mind was why in the world would they need to be breaking down footage of the Nat's prospects? Does this mean the Pirates are going to trade the face of their franchise for prospects they don't know enough about from viewing live, so they have to resort to watching video on them?
It can't. You're right. Sale to the Braves! 78 win season here we come!!
If yhe braves acquire Sale I'll be happy to make a sigor avatar bet with you on the win totals set at 78.
It would all depend on what the Braves give up. If they give up Folty (2-4 WAR) and Inciarte (3-4 WAR) to get Sale (4-5 WAR) with Smith in CF (2-3 WAR), I don't think they will be a better team at all, and would project them for easily less than 78 wins.
They already project to have 2+ WAR from every pitching slot in the rotation. Upgrading one of those slots by 1-3 wins isn't going to be worth whatever they have to give up from the MLB roster to acquire Sale.
UNCBlue012
Well-known member
Which is why I don't think a deal has been done. I'd imagine the Braves are doing everything they can to only unload prospects right now -- and not too many -- which is probably the holdup on any "big deal."
I would assume they're just going over every little detail about the prospects. And since they aren't actively playing, you have to resort to video to do that.
