It wouldn't surprise me to see the Braves make a play for Jae-gyun Hwang. He is going to be 29, should only cost Markakis-money, and obviously has no QO attached. He could be a cost effective way to add 1-2 wins to the roster.
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It wouldn't surprise me to see the Braves make a play for Jae-gyun Hwang. He is going to be 29, should only cost Markakis-money, and obviously has no QO attached. He could be a cost effective way to add 1-2 wins to the roster.
Southcack77
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Keep in mind that they had the worst offense in baseball for much of the early going and that was largely a result of AJ and Aybar's careers going into a tailspin, 3B being a first half disaster, Freeman slumping and being hurt, Inciarte slumping and being hurt, Markakis having a horrendous May, etc.
That was a whole lot of bad stuff happening at the same time. It could go all wrong again but it ain't likely.
On the other hand, the offense isn't likely to keep up the top 5 pace.
My objection to the comment is just that it isn't really reasonable to say the club's finish should be offset by the start of the season. Because the roster that finished 2016 isn't the same roster that began it. So the regression isn't to the worst offense in baseball, it's probably to something a little more average.
Southcack77
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If you are content to not being a contender, Castro seems like a decent enough play if you can get him at a bargain.
But this deal seems like market rate or something a bit above. I don't see the point when what you are doing is giving yourself a bad hitting catcher who is probably going to be an expensive backup on a playoff team.
the biggest plus is maybe he helps you bring along young pitchers, but looks like one season of his deal wouldn't really have him working with the younger guys much. I think it is a good pass so long as they don't go commit something bigger and more long term to someone like Wieters.
I'd be fine with Ramos on a good short term deal if that is possible. If not, sure, go with your current collection of replacement level catching. No urgency here. You can find a defensive catcher who can't hit if you really want one.
But this deal seems like market rate or something a bit above. I don't see the point when what you are doing is giving yourself a bad hitting catcher who is probably going to be an expensive backup on a playoff team.
the biggest plus is maybe he helps you bring along young pitchers, but looks like one season of his deal wouldn't really have him working with the younger guys much. I think it is a good pass so long as they don't go commit something bigger and more long term to someone like Wieters.
I'd be fine with Ramos on a good short term deal if that is possible. If not, sure, go with your current collection of replacement level catching. No urgency here. You can find a defensive catcher who can't hit if you really want one.
Southcack77
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If you can trade his 18 m a year, I think that's probably a good move. You can probably find a better use of those resources is my guess.
Personally don't see that happening after the brass got burned so badly on the last international acquisition.
Not saying he might not make a little more economic sense than Turner or Longoria IF they're actually going to upgrade the position, but the whole Olivera situation probably left such a bad taste in their mouths (not to mention egg on their faces) that they're bound to be hesitant about bringing in another unknown - especially considering they're in much better shape financially now and the extra money spent to add someone there that's already proven shouldn't be an issue.
And all that is only relevant IF they'd consider upgrading the position - which they've given us no sign of planning to do (so far) yet.
The potential trade with the Cubs that I might not mind seeing that's been bouncing around my head over the last couple days is Inciarte for Eloy Jimenez.
Jimenez just fits our timeline so well - his current projected ETA is 2019, and could be a little earlier. In the event Markakis isn't dealt before the end of his deal, Jimenez would represent a huge upgrade at the minimum - and we don't have an obvious RF replacement in the pipeline as of now. Inciarte fits perfectly at the top of the Cubs' lineup and keeps Heyward in RF, and frees Theo and Jed to dangle Almora, Soler, Candelario, and Happ for another arm, and if they were willing to move a combination of them in the same deal, going out and getting Sale would make worlds of sense to me.
CF- Inciarte, 3B- Bryant, LF- Schwarber, 1B- Rizzo, 2B- Zobrist, C- Contreras, SS- Russell, RF- Heyward (keeping Baez as their super-sub)
Rotation - Sale, Arrieta, Lester, Hendricks, Lackey
That would be flat scary.
Jimenez just fits our timeline so well - his current projected ETA is 2019, and could be a little earlier. In the event Markakis isn't dealt before the end of his deal, Jimenez would represent a huge upgrade at the minimum - and we don't have an obvious RF replacement in the pipeline as of now. Inciarte fits perfectly at the top of the Cubs' lineup and keeps Heyward in RF, and frees Theo and Jed to dangle Almora, Soler, Candelario, and Happ for another arm, and if they were willing to move a combination of them in the same deal, going out and getting Sale would make worlds of sense to me.
CF- Inciarte, 3B- Bryant, LF- Schwarber, 1B- Rizzo, 2B- Zobrist, C- Contreras, SS- Russell, RF- Heyward (keeping Baez as their super-sub)
Rotation - Sale, Arrieta, Lester, Hendricks, Lackey
That would be flat scary.
The Cubs have shown they aren't going to give up homegrown talent they believe in. It's part of the reason for their success and something we should learn from. I just don't see us being able to pry Jimenez from them without giving up more than we're comfortable with.
zbhargrove
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Kinda hope we at least inquired on Walker...
GovClintonTyree
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DiPoto is a little impatient. There were a number of signals that they'd given up on Walker and Marte this past season.
While I understand that at some point you need to see production, I felt like Walker had turned a corner with some adjustments he made in August. He finished strong. I saw him in May at Safeco and he was painting 97 on the black. He was (in the spirit of extent) dominate. I just don't think you give up on that.
Marte is just a kid. He might be the .800 SS DiPoto says he traded for.
We'll see if Segura and Haniger pan out - DiPoto has a pretty good eye - but I'm not happy that my #2 team dealt Taijuan. Advantage, DBacks.
GovClintonTyree
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I've got a feeling a lot of teams are saying, "Damn, I wish the Mariners had called us."
Oklahomabrave
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Dbacks have a ton of rotation options now. Wish Stewart was there so we could nab Robbie Ray.
Thought about Candelario, but not sure he'd be enough for my liking. Would like a little more pop personally, but if our scouts think some of those 2Bs are going to turn into more over the fence power I'd probably do that. Otherwise, I'm not sure he'd be that big an upgrade over Ruiz (if he continues to improve, of course) since they think he's got at least a bit more power that he hasn't gotten to yet.
dak
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This is an interesting trade. I see it as more of a win-win given where both organizations are and not a clear win by the D-backs. Segura will surely regress from last year's 5 WAR performance, but is just 26 and has 2 years of control. Walker is a Super Two with 4 years of control. Big-time upside, but some injury issues and just overall growing pains at the MLB level. It's close between Haniger and Marte, but I think I prefer Haniger.
Oklahomabrave
Anytime Now Frankie...
I don't think so. Inciarte has 4 years of control vs just 2 and is substantially cheapest this year. Also, he's had back to back 3+ win seasons where Segura has one really good season preceeded by two not good ones.
I also think more people need a CF in his market. That being said, I love walker and would have been pleased to have him.