All that really matters is if this team is more fun to watch or not.
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All that really matters is if this team is more fun to watch or not.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
Bitter.
Losing is winning right now. Big picture.
Hart has done a lot of work in fixing mistakes made by the previous front office.
But why? Hitting is generally more predictable, and right now it's also more valuable, unless you have a true ace.
If it's equal value, or even if the value is close, I'm taking the hitter right now. Especially considering the current state of our system.
DaneHill
Well-known member
I know it's just semantics, but I wouldn't say we're a laughing stock. Everyone knows we're in quick rebuild mode since the off-season, and that's been ramped up this past week. People see us as just that, as well as a potential threat a couple years from now. Most articles I read appear to think highly of the turn-around to our farm system. We've positioned ourselves incredibly well to continue to stock that system.
Now San Diego, THEY are considered a laughing stock, since they made such a splash with their blockbuster moves coming into the season, were considered a frontrunner, yet just four months later are struggling to get to .500 and will likely dismantle "the Padres Way" come this off-season.
Now San Diego, THEY are considered a laughing stock, since they made such a splash with their blockbuster moves coming into the season, were considered a frontrunner, yet just four months later are struggling to get to .500 and will likely dismantle "the Padres Way" come this off-season.
KB21
Where's My Cup of Coffee?
Hart took a talented team and gutted it yes, but that talented team was not a good team no matter how you want to spin it. That talented team lacked the intangibles to be a winning team. It was horribly mismatched and put together by the previous administration, and Hart took some pieces from that team and used them to completely overhaul the farm system, which had become trash under the previous administration.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
Great post, couldnt have said it any better.
Some on here seem to think we were a few pieces from being a WS-type team with that core.
KB21
Where's My Cup of Coffee?
Hitting, by its nature, is inconsistent. If you rely upon your hitting to win, you aren't going to win much. Hitting goes into slumps. Pitching very rarely goes into slumps. You can win with average hitting. You can't win with average pitching. Pitching is far more valuable and important to winning.
KB21
Where's My Cup of Coffee?
San Diego is a great example of why talent does not outweigh intangibles. You have to have both. They gave up a lot to get Justin Upton, Matt Kemp, Will Myers....etc....and it has gotten them nowhere. Why?
Because Kemp is a terrible player, and was terrible when they traded for him (he had 0.9 WAR in 2013 and 2014 combined). And Myers isn't very good either (0 WAR in 2014). And starting 3 LF in your OF at the same time is kinda a bad idea. The Padres are not an example of talent versus intangibles, their talent wasn't great to start with.
The market has dictated that this isn't true in the slightest. You can believe what you want, but there is a reason we got bent over by the Dodgers in the Olivera trade, and it's not because pitching is more valuable than hitting. Good, controlled bats are the most valuable thing around right now.
Having elite starting pitching is the most important thing in the playoffs for sure, but during the regular season pitching and hitting are pretty even in value.
sturg33
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The team was only bad the second half of last year. They were damn good the previous 4.5 years.
I guarantee that if we replaced BJ with Maybin, Uggla with anybody, and Cris Johnson with Uribe, and kept Heyward/Upton - then we would be a lot better of a team.
The issues from last year were 3 spots, and we've replaced this year without any problems
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
And what happens when Heyward/Justin walk for nothing in the winter?
And our pitching would still be a huge, huge concern, no money to sign anyone.
This is true. However league wide there is a far more pitching talent than their is hitting. It is a rarer comidty therefore it is more valuable.
stpeteirish
Called Up to the Major Leagues
There were a lot more "issues" with last year beyond those 3 spots, how a catcher who couldn't catch, medicore starters (all 5) and a bullpen that overachieved so greatly that only a fool would bring it back intact.
And how do you magically replace BJ and CJ?; they've both been virtually impossible to trade because of idiotic contracts given out by the GM you're defending.
I think the team you describe would be pretty bad. And the team we got is pretty bad. Hart may prove to be better or worse than Wren; so far its hard to tell but neither is getting my vote as any good.
Pads have some good talent. But their stars are severely under performing or hurt. J-Up did his regular disappearing act after April. Kemp is under performing as well. Their team defense is bad and I think it's clearly having an affect on their pitching. Shields and Cashner both have been struggling.
They aren't completely loaded with talent, but they should be playing better than what they are.
cajunrevenge
Well-known member
The Padres were playing fantasy baseball. Everything that has happened was completely predictable. Justin in an extreme pitchers park. Trading for two injury risks in Myers/Kemp. Trading for 3 corner outfielders and playing 1 in center. Signing James Shields who is clearly in severe decline. Paying 20+ million a year for a closer. Kimbrel has saved 29 out of 30 and they won the game he blew so theres nothing more he can do. Allowing Melvin into their clubhouse. They could have just released him but I bet he is still acting like a punk because he doesnt get playing time.
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
Yep, it was very predictable.