He has more leverage at #3, now I'm not saying he breaks the bank, but I think he gets more money the higher he goes in the draft, that seems like common sense to me.
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He has more leverage at #3, now I'm not saying he breaks the bank, but I think he gets more money the higher he goes in the draft, that seems like common sense to me.
The point I'm making is the Braves just liked Anderson more than Lewis. Apparently you disagree, but when you see several other teams pass on a Lewis it does reinforce the idea that there are questions there. That's all.
Time is going to tell if we regret that decision; personally the more I've read about Anderson the more I'm ok with the pick. I wanted Groome, even knowing that it would have taken Wentz or Mueller out of the equation.
sturg33
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Well, yeah - he has more leverage at 3, but then again so does Anderson.
The point still stands, Kyle Lewis agreed to sign for $3.2M... why then, would he not have agreed to sign for $4M?
sturg33
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Yeah - I'm not arguing with here... but when the Anderson pick was made - a lot of folks indicated it was so we would be able to squeeze in the other 2 pitcher we took next.
In hindsight, that appears to be irrelevant - as we could have likely gotten Lewis along with the others.
We may have chosen correctly... but if the argument for Anderson was so we could could Wentz and Muller, then I no longer believe that is the case.
I didn't say he wouldn't, I just said because he signed for $3.2M some people are assuming he would have been equally inexpensive at #3 or close to it; I don't know if that's the case.
I think the argument is a little silly, the Braves just preferred Anderson. The money between the two isn't the issue.
That is a conclusion that requires more information than we currently, or probably ever will, have.
sturg33
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No... I think at this point - we have all the info we need... Had the Braves wanted Lewis, Wentz, and Muller - they could have gotten them.
The only point you ever try to make is that the people running the Braves are idiots.
Please stop feeding the trolls folks.
sturg33
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LOL... so suggesting that I would have preferred Lewis to Anderson is trolling?
You are overly sensitive...
You basically take a negative slant on everything Braves, so much so that even though you make a lot of good points, its hard to take any of them objectively. Honestly I just figure you're trolling everybody.
sturg33
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I'm a Braves and want them to do well.
I don't agree with the approach the FO has taken. They've made plenty of good moves - but it's hard not to when you trade away the talent we've traded away. Even still, I'm not even close to saying the rebuild is a success... the original stated goal of 2017 seems like a pipe dream... the organization is completely void of offensive talent. The promising pitchers we have acquired have not exactly shown that they will one day be dominant.
I hope things work out... but it's a little tiresome making being blasted anytime we disagree with the FO. Their track record is certainly unproven... and some moves have been disastrous. There were a LOT of people hoping we would use that 3rd pick on a top talent, and instead we went with a risky strategy that - while it didn't backfire - it turned out unnecessary and may have cost us a top offensive talent. Pointing that out is not trolling
It is not trolling to have that -opinion it is an opinion that taking Anderson was unnecessary and that Lewis is a top offensive talent. But no, there's nothing wrong with pointing those thoughts out -- but what I was saying is if you constantly bash nearly every move big and small -- people aren't going to acknowledge the good points you make because it doesn't look like you're being objective. Its no different than that TheThe dude who used to post here.
Your posts are well thought out - but it seems like the same post every time.
KB21
Where's My Cup of Coffee?
I liked Groome's talent, but the make up questions soured me on him. You can't take a player that high who is immature and lacks the proper mindset. I think there were 5-6 high school arms who were all very closely rated together. Groome, Anderson, Riley Pint, Braxton Garrett, Matt Manning, and Joey Wentz. Atlanta got two of them, and another that was in the top 8.
Also, Bridges made the comment that there really wasn't a Bryce Harper/Manny Machado type bat to take at 3, so they went with the best pitcher on their board.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
I get all of that, I like what Atlanta came away with here, but I do feel like they maybe missed an elite talent in Groome. Time will tell; I've gotten more and more excited about Anderson as I've read more about him.
I love what we did at 40/44 and taking Groome means we couldn't have done that.
chop2chip
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Didn't we work Lewis out the week of the draft? I think it's safe to say that what you were suggesting was definitely a consideration.
Fact of the matter is Lewis gave up going back to college for $3.2m. The Braves are very likely to sign Anderson for a value close to that.
We will find out soon enough if Lewis is the impact bat many of us wanted. Until then I fully expect the usual suspects on this board to blindly defend all moves the Braves make, and some will continue to do so even if Lewis ends up being amazing.
If he fails they will say "I told you the Braves were right". If he succeeds they will say "10 teams passed on him, so the Braves aren't stupid". It's a no-lose scenario for them.
We will find out soon enough if Lewis is the impact bat many of us wanted. Until then I fully expect the usual suspects on this board to blindly defend all moves the Braves make, and some will continue to do so even if Lewis ends up being amazing.
If he fails they will say "I told you the Braves were right". If he succeeds they will say "10 teams passed on him, so the Braves aren't stupid". It's a no-lose scenario for them.
KB21
Where's My Cup of Coffee?
I like what Brian Bridges said about Ian Anderson. He said he saw him last summer for the first time. He said that when he saw his delivery, arm action, and command, he was like "Whoa!!" Then, the Perfect Game Wood Bat League Championships were being played in Atlanta. Roy Clark came to him and asked him who he needed to look at. Brian told him Ian Anderson. He said, at that time, the Braves had the 8th pick position in the draft. Roy's comment after seeing Anderson was that Atlanta would be lucky if he was on the board at 8.
On Joey Wentz, Brian says that they scouted him all summer as a hitter. They had him listed as a 1B prospect. Said he was hitting balls as far as you can hit him....hitting 500 foot home runs. He says we had him as a 1B prospect. Then, they saw him at the Super 60. Brian's phone started blowing up. Scouts in the system were calling him to tell him they just saw Cole Hamels, and it was Joey Wentz. Brian said he thought they couldn't be serious. The guy hadn't pitched all summer, and now he is throwing 92-95 with command and spinning the breaking ball. He said he saw him pitch his first game in Kansas. It was cold, and he said he watched his bullpen session, called Roy Clark, and told him that he would take Joey Wentz with the 3rd pick right then.
KB21
Where's My Cup of Coffee?
What other organization can say that they have added the pitching talent this team has added in the past two years along with a bat like Kevin Maitan? And not just Maitan, but Yunier Severino and Abraham Gutierrez as well?
Brad Cumberland was one of the top 2-3 slugging catchers in the entire draft. Last year, Austin Riley was probably the best power hitter that was drafted, high school or college. Lucas Herbert is showing that he has a bright future as a catcher, considering that he got something like 4 ABs in the GCL before he torn his meniscus. You have Ronald Acuna, who may be a fast rising player in the system and in baseball.
Two years ago, the top bat in the system may have been Joey Terdoslavich or a light hitting Tommy LaStella. Those guys wouldn't even be top 20 in this system now.
Brad Cumberland was one of the top 2-3 slugging catchers in the entire draft. Last year, Austin Riley was probably the best power hitter that was drafted, high school or college. Lucas Herbert is showing that he has a bright future as a catcher, considering that he got something like 4 ABs in the GCL before he torn his meniscus. You have Ronald Acuna, who may be a fast rising player in the system and in baseball.
Two years ago, the top bat in the system may have been Joey Terdoslavich or a light hitting Tommy LaStella. Those guys wouldn't even be top 20 in this system now.