2016 Election Coverage: Aka Every Way You Look at it You Lose.

zitothebrave said:
Not saying I agree with protests (though they're an incredibly effective way of letting people in power know you're dissatisfied and they may think twice before doing anything)but we don't have a democratic process, if we did Hillary would have won. We have a constitutional republic. Trump won because he won the handful of important states. Not because more people voted for him, important fact to not get twisted.
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Yeah but the same system also discourages a lot of voting... For example, a Republican in California probably doesn't waste his/her time even showing up to vote... if we went to a popular vote, we'd see a lot more mobilization from people on both sides, and my gut tells me that it would lean more towards Republicans.
 
sturg33 said:
Yes... people need to be worried about their safety... from the tolerant left


This is disgusting and frankly hard to watch
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Yes, that is horrendous, unacceptable and I hope the people are arrested and charged.

This however does nothing to address my point. We could both easily find instances of terrible people being terrible to one another.
 
mqt said:
Yes, that is horrendous, unacceptable and I hope the people are arrested and charged.

This however does nothing to address my point. We could both easily find instances of terrible people being terrible to one another.
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Agreed... but i see so much more violence from the left than I do from the right.
 
sturg33 said:
Yeah but the same system also discourages a lot of voting... For example, a Republican in California probably doesn't waste his/her time even showing up to vote... if we went to a popular vote, we'd see a lot more mobilization from people on both sides, and my gut tells me that it would lean more towards Republicans.
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Anyone who doesn't vote is a moron. My girlfriend's brother is amoron he voted but only for president. THe one position that's least liekly to effect your day to day life.
 
gilesfan said:
Since I don't want to be ignorant or lazy, can you provide me reason for what African Americans, Latinos, refugees, "legal" immigrants, and women should have valid reasons to get out and protest. And i mean with legitimate data and not just liberal fear monger media? If so, I can probably better respond to your point of view.
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At work so I'm going to rapid fire through a few of these for now:

Trump has openly supported stop and frisk, which has been a tactic that has had an uneven effect on African Americans and Latinos. I'm not in the mood to discuss the pros and cons of it, but these are the kind of things that would make such groups uneasy.

Refugees would be concerned not only of alienation based on statements he's made regarding refugees, but also of where that direction could take policy makers.

In a perfect world, legal immigrants would be fine. But if deportation efforts ramp up across the nation, do you really think no legal immigrants would not be affected by racial profiling?

Women need not look any further than Trump's comments regarding Roe v. Wade. I fully understand that the supporters of overturning that decision include millions of women, but it's disingenuous to suggest that there would not be at least some percentage of the female population highly concerned with the stance Trump has taken.

Regardless of my opinions, I am not actually attempting to make an argument for or against these stances on these issues. But right or wrong, can you not at least see why a number of Americans are uneasy about how they fit into this vision of America?
 
Something like 86% of registered voters actually voted for President in 2012. 57% of voting age Americans actually voted. If there was no electoral college and it went by the popular vote I would guarantee those numbers would be higher.
 
thewupk said:
Something like 86% of registered voters actually voted for President in 2012. 57% of voting age Americans actually voted. If there was no electoral college and it went by the popular vote I would guarantee those numbers would be higher.
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Not just that, if people had a ****ing clue they'd vote. Though some states have ****ty voter suppression laws so I can understand not all the people registering to vote. That being said, you not voting means you don't care.
 
Hawk said:
Yeah, a nuanced argument would be greatly appreciated here.
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I'm all for having a more nuanced discussion about how different policies might affect different groups and whether or not those policies are right or wrong, but I just don't see how they tie into the discussion at hand, which is how people are reacting to the election. As a straight white male I just cannot fathom attempting to tell others how to react to this result.
 
sturg33 said:
Trump got less votes than McCain and Romney... and the liberal elite want to blame Gary Johnson.

Sigh
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Blaming Gary Johnson is hopelessly dumb. For one, the subset of people who found Clinton's vision appealing and also found Johnson's vision appealing is insanely small. Most of what I'm hearing is that it was Bernie Bros who flocked to Johnson, which would either be voters in that tiny subset of people or idiots. If you want to blame any third party candidate (you shouldn't) it would be Jill Stein. In many areas, Johnson support probably helped Clinton more than hurt her.
 
zitothebrave said:
Not just that, if people had a ****ing clue they'd vote. Though some states have ****ty voter suppression laws so I can understand not all the people registering to vote. That being said, you not voting means you don't care.
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Not necessarily. I know several people who did not vote because their vote for president would not matter in terms of who got elected, myself included.
 
thewupk said:
Not necessarily. I know several people who did not vote because their vote for president would not matter in terms of who got elected, myself included.
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But you vote for your senator, and congressperson, and more importantly, your state government. PResident is the one vote that doesn't really matter because it's the vote that least likely impacts you.
 
zitothebrave said:
But you vote for your senator, and congressperson, and more importantly, your state government. PResident is the one vote that doesn't really matter because it's the vote that least likely impacts you.
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I understand that. But that is still the mindset of several voters across America. Also when marijuana comes up for legalization here I will certainly be there.
 
Hawk said:
What do you mean by this?
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I mean that regardless of how you might feel about Trump's proposals and statements, there are going to be many that feel like they don't belong in this country right now because of them. Being a straight white male, I cannot possibly know how that feels.
 
Jesus, my generation is a disgrace. Reading about all the "grieving" on college campuses and people saying that "self care is more important than ever now."
 
thewupk said:
I understand that. But that is still the mindset of several voters across America. Also when marijuana comes up for legalization here I will certainly be there.
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But if you vote in the people you want to Governor and State Houses then you don't need a ballot measure. Look at Oregon.
 
bravesnumberone said:
Jesus, my generation is a disgrace. Reading about all the "grieving" on college campuses and people saying that "self care is more important than ever now."
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No kidding... class cancellations would make me laugh if it wasn't scary. These are our future, and frankly... they are soft
 
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