2016 Election Coverage: Aka Every Way You Look at it You Lose.

50PoundHead said:
I guess he designed all those offensive t-shirts and composed "Barack the Magic Negro." The whole "Obama made the country more racist" is one of those echo chamber dog whistle statements that picked up steam among some the more it was repeated. Maybe the folks who take that view should remember all the crap he took from the African-American community when he initiated the My Brother's Keeper program.
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Do you recall the author of that original "Magic Negro" article? Suppose I ought to google it. If memory serves correctly it was one of those sociological pieces that made for a good read, but when translated into popular vernacular, really became an ugly racist label.
 
50PoundHead said:
Surprised but not shocked.

I think this does show how divided we are as a country (for a lot of reasons) and it's up to us to re-unite and not leave it to Washington or our respective state capitals.

Sav, I wasn't all that confident. I was following the polls like everyone else. But polls don't test saliency. If I have 100 friends and you have 90, but 80% of my friends show up at the party and 90% of your's do, you have 1 more friend at the party than I do. If anything, I underestimated the complete angst in a large segment of the population.

As for Bernie, I think many of the same cultural issues that I believe contributed to Hillary's loss would have been a millstone around his neck as well. Maybe even Biden. We've seen a ton of cultural change over the past decade and a lot of people feel their lives are spinning out of control. I think those folks pulled the lever for Trump.
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Hoping this really sets the pollsters and the media in a different direction. They have major egg on their faces. All should pay close attention to how the LA Times did their polling.
 
mqt said:
Awareness that a lot of Americans are terrified at the message this election sent. A Trump victory signals that running a campaign that opposes Muslims, immigrants and refugees, equates African Americans with inner city violence and then proposes profiling across the nation, openly supports restricting the reproductive rights of women, and includes Mike Pence and his views on gay fights is one that can triumph in America. I think that's worth a protest or two to show that not everyone agrees with this.
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Couple of points. Do you notice how you've framed all this? Sort of like how I'd frame "pro-choice" advocates. It probably does us all well to try to understand why people who hold opposing views do so and not to paint them in the worst possible light (I'm preaching to myself here as well).

Secondly, I forget who made the point, and I may have already shared it here somewhere here, but I think one of the most helpful ways to understand the different takes on Trump is that those fearful or disdainful of him took his statements literally but not seriously. While supporters took him seriously but not literally.
 
57Brave said:
Stocking away guns and ammo

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Trump won Electoral College. Those are the rules

HRC won popular vote ... irrelevant but still pertinent

I am literally speechless and not sure what else there is to say until this begins to unfold in earnest
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Looks like he's won both now.
 
BedellBrave said:
Hoping this really sets the pollsters and the media in a different direction. They have major egg on their faces. All should pay close attention to how the LA Times did their polling.
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LA Times was way off too. They had Trump winning pop. vote by 3 or 4. Trump lost the popular vote.
 
zitothebrave said:
Not just that, if people had a ****ing clue they'd vote. Though some states have ****ty voter suppression laws so I can understand not all the people registering to vote. That being said, you not voting means you don't care.
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Or that you really care...

So you want more clueless people voting than already do?
 
Trump is the "wizard" after you pull pack the curtain in The Wizard of OZ. That's why everyone is freaked out. They just discovered that the wizard is just some random rube with issues.
 
BedellBrave said:
Do you recall the author of that original "Magic Negro" article? Suppose I ought to google it. If memory serves correctly it was one of those sociological pieces that made for a good read, but when translated into popular vernacular, really became an ugly racist label.
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"Barack the Magic Negro" was a parody song sung to the tune of "Puff the Magic Dragon." It got extensive play on Limbaugh's show. Not familiar with the article you mention.
 
Hawk said:
How do you reason that?

In the previous discussion we had about this I also referenced her Senate record and her 08' campaign, both of which were indisputably liberal. I welcomed anybody to refute my assertion that she was consistently liberal and that the 'moderate' label was out of tune with reality (and definition), out of genuine curiosity for what examples might be proffered of her 'moderate' policy positions.

But, to address your first post ... do I think it was probable that a Hillary win would have yielded fertile ground for the growth/expansion/initiation of many of the progressive ideals of the Democratic party (such as challenging parts of the 2nd amendment)? Absolutely.

I mean, that's the very nature of contemporary politics, so I guess your point is a bit lost to me.
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Then why was everyone barking about her original stance against gay marriage and her vote for the Iraq War? She was decried as a stooge of Wall Street. She was to the right of Obama on guns and what are considered blue collar issues in 2008. She was considered a hawk as Secretary of State. Sounds like a real fallin' off the edge liberal to me.
 
50PoundHead said:
"Barack the Magic Negro" was a parody song sung to the tune of "Puff the Magic Dragon." It got extensive play on Limbaugh's show. Not familiar with the article you mention.
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The parody (parody of what?) song was based off an article about white guilt, as far as I can remember. Need to look it up again.
 
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