2016 Election Coverage: Aka Every Way You Look at it You Lose.
- Thread starter zitothebrave
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Everything I've seen suggests that you are. Clinton is already way ahead in the popular vote and there are apparently a whole bunch of votes left to count from CA and NY.
BedellBrave
It's OVER 5,000!
Popular vote is worthless to look at. If there were no electoral college trump would have campaigned in places like CA and NY. Clinton also would have campaigned more in traditional R states. We have no clue what the popular vote would have been in a non electoral college world. Each candidate played by the rules of the election which makes analysis of opoular vote unimportant.
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
Well, you can get away with a lot here.
I am lenient on a nationwide board. I just gave my 2nd perma ban in 2 years. 8 total bans in that time. A Mod from the previous regime said I was nice because I don't let everyone piss me off and give them a benefit of the doubt. I guess this board taught me something Sav.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
I haven't been following that angle closely, but it was brought to my attention by someone the other day. I think it's important to point out that there is ample legal precedent for the First Amendment to not apply universally in public schools and from what I'm hearing, there are probably some high school principals with their hands full these days.
57Brave
Well-known member
Reince Priebus’s 2012 postmortem be damned, Donald Trump won the thing by appealing to white voters, and running an unabashed campaign of bigotry, racism, xenophobia, and
other odds and ends of nastiness. This wasn’t some short-lived populist revolt destined to fizzle out in the summer or disorganized anti-establishment rabble, nor was it a
catastrophic rending of the Grand Old Party. It wasn’t soul-searching. This was a juggernaut. It was a repudiation by the American electorate of the grand experiment of
diversity of the past few years, as symbolized by Barack Obama. It was the half of America, a half that if not bigoted itself seemed mighty fine with being bigotry-adjacent.
This is who we are.
other odds and ends of nastiness. This wasn’t some short-lived populist revolt destined to fizzle out in the summer or disorganized anti-establishment rabble, nor was it a
catastrophic rending of the Grand Old Party. It wasn’t soul-searching. This was a juggernaut. It was a repudiation by the American electorate of the grand experiment of
diversity of the past few years, as symbolized by Barack Obama. It was the half of America, a half that if not bigoted itself seemed mighty fine with being bigotry-adjacent.
This is who we are.
acesfull86
Well-known member
This line of thinking suggests to me that the left doesn't understand why it lost and is at risk of learning nothing from the results of last Tuesday.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
I just think too many people on both sides are going off the deep end with their analysis. I don't buy the mandate stuff coming from the right. Bush 43 had a bigger mandate after 2002 than Trump has now. Obama had a bigger mandate in 2008 than Trump has now. How did those mandates turn out?
I don't buy the ultra-xenophobic angle being pushed by the left. Clearly, the campaign rhetoric on both sides had a scolding tone to it and some racists voted for Trump (and most of those same racists would have voted for the Republican candidate). I think the bigger issue for Democrats is that they seem to have forgotten bread-and-butter issues for a lot of folks.
I don't buy the ultra-xenophobic angle being pushed by the left. Clearly, the campaign rhetoric on both sides had a scolding tone to it and some racists voted for Trump (and most of those same racists would have voted for the Republican candidate). I think the bigger issue for Democrats is that they seem to have forgotten bread-and-butter issues for a lot of folks.
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
true
And they probably won't until around this time next year. It's very possible that by then far-right governments will control France, The Netherlands, Austria, Italy, and even Germany.
We're witnessing a rebuke of western liberalism. Not necessarily because it's doomed, but because this generation of voters has chosen to reject it primarily on the basis of its shortcomings dealing with immigration and the economy.
It's easy to get caught up in the faux hysteria borne from dog-whistles like bigotry and racism, but this is much more about deglobalization.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
There is no reason a miner of any mineral should vote Republican, yet somehow those who work in the extraction industry are turning Republican because the environmental movement has gotten so overbearingly 100% correct and influential in Democratic circles that miners have no choice to vote their self-interest. I honestly don't think that many people give a rip about immigration if they aren't feeling constantly threatened. We also have an educational system--both elementary/secondary and higher--that is leaving so many kids unprepared for their next step, whether that be four-year college, technical college, or going directly into the workforce. Those are the kinds of bread-and-butter issues I am talking about. We have battling pessimisms going on right now, but the Democratic pessimism is just got too gol-darn preachy this election cycle. Instead of saying "America is great and can be greater still," it chose a pessimistic "Don't vote for the nut" approach.
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
I am seeing a lot of posts from the Left that are thinking the same thing as you, but those who are staunch like Steak Sauce are really living in their own fantasy world and don't even try to give anyone a chance. 500 and other Left side of center have valid points but they are willing to see it through and not throw hissy fits and I see the Right side agreeing with them. That is how it should be. They respect those on the Left and vice versa like you. 57 is beyond hope and deep down he is hoping that the EC overturn it in December.
57Brave
Well-known member
Of course the "don't vote for that nut " approach !!
You have been in politics. How would you run against Trump ?
He doesn't stop hitting . Jeb's campaign proved you can't have a discussion or make a policy point. You have to hit back quickly and often
The election in a nut shell ?
Make America Great
vs
a 1000 page policy paper on how Minnesota miners are getting screwed
........
who do you think wins that ?
You have been in politics. How would you run against Trump ?
He doesn't stop hitting . Jeb's campaign proved you can't have a discussion or make a policy point. You have to hit back quickly and often
The election in a nut shell ?
Make America Great
vs
a 1000 page policy paper on how Minnesota miners are getting screwed
........
who do you think wins that ?
57Brave
Well-known member
One more thing.
I don't think, on this board, since June have we had a substantive back and forth policy debate .
As raucous as the health care debates was a few years ago there were a lot of pros and cons brought out. By a lot of people (most of them wrong
Only ones this time getting any traction were her emails
Right or wrong ---- 3 million people being deported and a swath of the voting public worried about conversion therapy, and we never even discussed here where we discuss a lot of stuffs
...
The national bread and butter issues. If you live in Philadelphia,Roxbury or South Side Chicago a bread and butter issue is lead in the pipes.
Equal the Northern Minn miners
Since I started the thread on Flint I would bet there haven't been 5 other posters engage. And most of those were calling me names or blindly defending the (R) administration.
But, no discussion of the science involved, the way forward or even a day to day survival suggestion for those stuck there.
So what did Trump voters vote on ?
The Wall -- Lock Her Up ---- Muslim Ban ---- Make America Great Again
You can slice it , dice it and put lipstick on the pig. But at the end of the day all you have is a pig wearing lipstick
I don't think, on this board, since June have we had a substantive back and forth policy debate .
As raucous as the health care debates was a few years ago there were a lot of pros and cons brought out. By a lot of people (most of them wrong
Only ones this time getting any traction were her emails
Right or wrong ---- 3 million people being deported and a swath of the voting public worried about conversion therapy, and we never even discussed here where we discuss a lot of stuffs
...
The national bread and butter issues. If you live in Philadelphia,Roxbury or South Side Chicago a bread and butter issue is lead in the pipes.
Equal the Northern Minn miners
Since I started the thread on Flint I would bet there haven't been 5 other posters engage. And most of those were calling me names or blindly defending the (R) administration.
But, no discussion of the science involved, the way forward or even a day to day survival suggestion for those stuck there.
So what did Trump voters vote on ?
The Wall -- Lock Her Up ---- Muslim Ban ---- Make America Great Again
You can slice it , dice it and put lipstick on the pig. But at the end of the day all you have is a pig wearing lipstick
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
Yes it is. She had a face that people recognize and an attitude to back it up.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
I think a lot of sensible things can be done in terms of immigration, but I do think we are going to be in for an era of very slow and uneven economic growth internationally and I don't know what can be done about it.