sturg33
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Baffling to me that mqt if defending this nonsense... when these kids are faced with adversity in the world, they're not going to be met with safe spaces and coloring books
2016 Election Coverage: Aka Every Way You Look at it You Lose.
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Baffling to me that mqt if defending this nonsense... when these kids are faced with adversity in the world, they're not going to be met with safe spaces and coloring books
I think most of the liberals on the board here don't find those free talk and safe spaces to be conducive or necessary.
Reminds me of what Coach Boone told Coach Yost in Remember the Titans.
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Runnin
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Podcast on liberal site with New York Times columnist Ross Douthat on how conservatives feel alienated by late night TV and what we’ve learned about Republican voters.
Douthat says the culture has changed drastically in America over the past five years. Daily Show alumni have taken over late night, late night comedy has taken a strongly liberal tinge, and companies like Apple have taken a stand on issues like transgender bathroom bills. He thinks this cultural shift has helped alienate many of the people who supported Donald Trump. Douthat wrote about the liberal hegemony of pop culture in a September column, “Clinton’s Samantha Bee Problem.”
Douthat says the culture has changed drastically in America over the past five years. Daily Show alumni have taken over late night, late night comedy has taken a strongly liberal tinge, and companies like Apple have taken a stand on issues like transgender bathroom bills. He thinks this cultural shift has helped alienate many of the people who supported Donald Trump. Douthat wrote about the liberal hegemony of pop culture in a September column, “Clinton’s Samantha Bee Problem.”
The inclusiveness left many excluded. Especially outside of the big city liberal bubble.
57Brave
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Partisanship aside, I can't make sense of this election. Not only where HRC voters went but just how counter to polls voters voted.
Not only did virtually every model predict an EC landslide for HRC, (D) capturing the Senate and possibly the House but this question of change.
Hadn't taken the time to think in terms of legislative numbers but voting for change knowing full well a 70 year old man was going to surround himself with other 70 year old white men . But the re election of incumbents.
This VOX article by Lee Drutman
If you looked only at the exit polls, you might conclude that 2016 was a "change election." After all, in exit polls, 39 percent of respondents said "Can bring needed change" was the quality that mattered most in deciding how they voted for president.
But look at the other four questions: "Has the right experience," "Has good judgment," and "Cares about people like me." If you're a Trump supporter, which one of these would you pick?
http://www.vox.com/polyarchy/2016/11/15/13630058/change-election
Not only did virtually every model predict an EC landslide for HRC, (D) capturing the Senate and possibly the House but this question of change.
Hadn't taken the time to think in terms of legislative numbers but voting for change knowing full well a 70 year old man was going to surround himself with other 70 year old white men . But the re election of incumbents.
This VOX article by Lee Drutman
If you looked only at the exit polls, you might conclude that 2016 was a "change election." After all, in exit polls, 39 percent of respondents said "Can bring needed change" was the quality that mattered most in deciding how they voted for president.
But look at the other four questions: "Has the right experience," "Has good judgment," and "Cares about people like me." If you're a Trump supporter, which one of these would you pick?
http://www.vox.com/polyarchy/2016/11/15/13630058/change-election
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
"Not only did virtually every model predict an EC landslide for HRC, (D) capturing the Senate and possibly the House but this question of change. "
Nope
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features...of-outcomes-and-most-of-them-come-up-clinton/
Nope
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features...of-outcomes-and-most-of-them-come-up-clinton/
57Brave
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Why do people use popular vote like it means anythjng. Do you think both campaigns run the same way if the EC was not the law of the land?
It's not about white and black. It's about stop selling out America to the globalist elites. Until libs realize this and stop making EVERYTHING about race they will lose political ground.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Virtually every model is shenanigans.
First off you have to realize polling bias. And Trump was right there with Hillary in every major poll. Realize that 538 gave Trump better odds to win than they did McCain, by a lot.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Nope. That's not what's going on at all. What happened was Hillary got lost in no mans land where no one lives.
The liberal elites are the problem, but it's because they're ignoring working class america. NOt about race, it's about ignoring a large swath of the working class.
That being said, no way does trump care about the working class. He's as big of an elitist as they come.
sturg33
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I think the meme that shows the libs cared more about defending the transgender folks than the working class was apt.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Not true, because neither care, but ti shows hwo effective the hit job by the right was.
Realize that we elected a clown to office. It's happened, there's no going back. Remember when everyone rolled their eyes and laughed when Kanye West said he woudl run for president. Trump winning opens the door for him to run, and to win.
It's really ****ing sad that this happened, but the dems have no one to blame but themselves. If Trump ran against 08 Obama it would have been the biggest assraping in modern politics.
People vote on policies. Not on the candidates personality. At least that's how they should be voting. People voted for Trump as a rejection of the Obama economy and vision for America where we take a backseat in the spirit of globalization.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
That's one way to look at it. Or the other way to look at it is everyone believes the lies spread by the right, specifically the alt-right.
You think trump will kill TPP? NOPE. Mother****er makes all his products in Asia.
You think Trump will get more money for the average worker? Nope Trumps brand is based off taking advantage of the Government and paying people nothing.
This election from beginning to end proved how stupid most Americans were. The dems for electing Clinton, the Rs for electing Trump and America for not standing up and saying **** both of them.
So what will be the spin when and if TPP is killed?
Trump isn't trying to to get more money for workers. That is just looking at a symptom of the illness. It's a foolish way to solve a problem. The real problem is jobs. That will solve wages.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
If he kills it I will admit to being wrong. But TPP will make Trump's businesses and his friends businesses lots of money.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
I'm not having that much trouble with it at all. My side underperformed expectations, but I'm not that surprised Clinton lost. I kind of poo-pooed Caddell's pre-election comparison to 1980, but he got it basically right. The difference is that the bottom didn't fall out everywhere for Clinton like it did for Carter. Dems did pick up two Senate seats and double figures (not sure on that) in the House, so it's not like this was a landslide or mandate like some on the right are proclaiming. The thing that is happening now is that votes for both sides are concentrated in certain areas. Republicans clearly have more physical territory, but the big metropolitan areas--where all the people are--are becoming, for the most part, liberal bastions. I think that explains the popular vote/electoral vote difference fairly easily. Late-deciding voters who pulled the lever for Trump probably got Burr and Johnson elected in North Carolina and Wisconsin respectively.
I get why Pennsylvania went Trump given the over-sized influence of environmental "first, last, and always" voters. No miner should ever vote Republican, but somehow Clinton's statements managed to make a bunch of them do just that. Michigan I don't really understand. Obama saves the domestic auto industry and the state turns its back on that. Curious.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Everyone needs to read The Big Sort by Bill Bishop. It's about a decade old now, but the patterns he outlines in that book appear to becoming reality.