2016 Election Coverage: Aka Every Way You Look at it You Lose.

sturg33 said:
At Cornell they hosted a "cry in"

Seriously.

What the **** is going on here.

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I don't remember this type of reaction from any election before . I am genuinely shocked at all of this.

Fwiw, like you I've seen more vitrol from that tolerant left like you than ever from the "racist right. "

The burning of the Trump sign in our neighborhood that almost caught the house on fire was really glassed over, but when I step back and think about it, that's some crazy ****. Really crazy. And it doesn't touch half this stuff.
 
I was in college when Obama got elected... I was the Vice Chairman of the college Republicans (shamefully, I might add)

i don't recall having access to "cry ins" or "safe spaces".

I remember being pissed off, so we went to go get a keg, got wasted, and blew off class the next day.

Unfortunately, we didn't have the luxury of excused absences or optional mid terms.

Personal responsibility is a bitch
 
Hawk said:
I just think we need to be exceedingly careful about labels and how freely and indiscriminately they are applied. Bigot is not a word I would personally use to characterize those who support an anti-illegal posture. Now, I wouldn't disagree that a noteworthy portion of the people who support that kind of platform often resort to base defenses of that posture, but I've always had a real gripe with anyone who thought that Trump's original comments on Mexicans or Muslims were indefensibly and indisputably racist. Did the national debate devolve into a form of bigoted chaos as a result of those words? Certainly, but to dismiss the discussion out of hand as intolerant is not the right approach.

But really, at the end of the day, a majority of those grousing about this being a 'step in the wrong direction' don't have much ground to stand on - yet. Demonstration is fair and acceptable in the face of legislation or actual action ... but to protest the clear will of the people is absolutely disgusting to me and I can't even pretend to sympathize with anyone who is challenging the underpinnings of our constitution.
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I think you need to take a step back and remember some of your posts from the campaign in which you took a bunch of Hillary's statements and said "This is where the country is going if she wins because she either said it or it's in the Democratic platform." My guess is if she'd won, there would have been lines around the block at the gun shop and people have a right to buy as many guns as they want, so no big deal to me. Now, when Trump is elected, we're supposed to ignore everything he said? My guess is some folks at the margins of society are petrified and will remain so until we actually see what a Trump administration means.

Do I think the cotton-balling of college kids is ridiculous? Yes. If this is the worst thing they'll experience in life, they are probably going to have a pretty nice life. At the same time, I have no problems with the demonstrations as long as they are orderly and don't damage property or cause massive unwarranted inconvenience. Like OkHawk said, I'd rather have them becoming politically active than passing the hookah pipe and playing Madden 17.
 
50PoundHead said:
I think you need to take a step back and remember some of your posts from the campaign in which you took a bunch of Hillary's statements and said "This is where the country is going if she wins because she either said it or it's in the Democratic platform." My guess is if she'd won, there would have been lines around the block at the gun shop and people have a right to buy as many guns as they want, so no big deal to me. Now, when Trump is elected, we're supposed to ignore everything he said? My guess is some folks at the margins of society are petrified and will remain so until we actually see what a Trump administration means.

Do I think the cotton-balling of college kids is ridiculous? Yes. If this is the worst thing they'll experience in life, they are probably going to have a pretty nice life. At the same time, I have no problems with the demonstrations as long as they are orderly and don't damage property or cause massive unwarranted inconvenience. Like OkHawk said, I'd rather have them becoming politically active than passing the hookah pipe and playing Madden 17.
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Totally fair
 
If there's one thing that annoys me it's false equivalency.

How can anyone compare no protests during Obama's election and protests after Trump's? Was Obama's rhetoric anywhere near close to Trump's in any of his campaign wins? I don't particularly remember Obama degrading certain parts of our country.

How can anyone ask why there weren't protests after his elections? If you wanna consider protest how about gun and ammo sales skyrocketing to record high because of the fear of his election.
 
2009-10 Town Halls.

Open demonstration of weaponry. For no other reason than intimidation.

Compare cry ins to events calling John Lewis a ******.

Pretty sure there is a model for demonstrating disagreement .
 
Forever Fredi said:
If there's one thing that annoys me it's false equivalency.

How can anyone compare no protests during Obama's election and protests after Trump's? Was Obama's rhetoric anywhere near close to Trump's in any of his campaign wins? I don't particularly remember Obama degrading certain parts of our country.

How can anyone ask why there weren't protests after his elections? If you wanna consider protest how about gun and ammo sales skyrocketing to record high because of the fear of his election.
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There were no protests because the Republicans were too busy working.
 
50PoundHead said:
I think you need to take a step back and remember some of your posts from the campaign in which you took a bunch of Hillary's statements and said "This is where the country is going if she wins because she either said it or it's in the Democratic platform." My guess is if she'd won, there would have been lines around the block at the gun shop and people have a right to buy as many guns as they want, so no big deal to me. Now, when Trump is elected, we're supposed to ignore everything he said? My guess is some folks at the margins of society are petrified and will remain so until we actually see what a Trump administration means.

Do I think the cotton-balling of college kids is ridiculous? Yes. If this is the worst thing they'll experience in life, they are probably going to have a pretty nice life. At the same time, I have no problems with the demonstrations as long as they are orderly and don't damage property or cause massive unwarranted inconvenience. Like OkHawk said, I'd rather have them becoming politically active than passing the hookah pipe and playing Madden 17.
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My post from prior to the polls closing:

If Clinton wins she absolutely did earn it and I will support her ... albeit quite begrudgingly. I wholeheartedly dislike her politics and her positions but see little sense in digging in one's heals and resisting the will of the nation - no matter which way the knife cuts. If she's given a clear mandate to lead I am convicted that we should all give her that opportunity to do just that. She'll have two years to prove herself and she knows that.

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It's what we do. This is America. We respect the vote, not come up with a dozen different reasons why we don't have to or why the winners can't tell us what to do. Enough of the collective pearl clutching.
 
To those railing against protestors and whiners, I have a question. Is your assertion that racial politics had no role whatsoever in the Trump campaign and his victory or are you suggesting that it's overstated? I feel very strongly that the driving force behind these protests is due to the tone taken by the campaign and many of Trump's supporters on race during the election. The only way I can see us reaching any sort of understanding on what's happening is if we can sort out where each side stands on the role of race in this election.
 
Hawk said:
Would you deny there was a racial component to Obama's message in 2008?
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I would deny that there was a negative racial component to his message. I cannot say the same for Trump's, and I would argue that the reason for such a strong repudiation of this election is that others agree. I think it's folly to suggest that we're seeing this level of anger because of Trump's platform for taxation or international trade. The reason I think this is important to discuss the role of race in this election is that I feel it's incongruous to suggest that a number of Clinton supporters are unfairly upset because of the racial aspect of the result without also acknowledging that a number of Trump supporters are happy about the result for the same reason. I don't know many reasonable people who would suggest it was all about race, but it's foolish to think it wasn't at least partially about race.
 
mqt said:
I would deny that there was a negative racial component to his message. I cannot say the same for Trump's, and I would argue that the reason for such a strong repudiation of this election is that others agree. I think it's folly to suggest that we're seeing this level of anger because of Trump's platform for taxation or international trade. The reason I think this is important to discuss the role of race in this election is that I feel it's incongruous to suggest that a number of Clinton supporters are unfairly upset because of the racial aspect of the result without also acknowledging that a number of Trump supporters are happy about the result for the same reason. I don't know many reasonable people who would suggest it was all about race, but it's foolish to think it wasn't at least partially about race.
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You should post more...

I think race is a big reason why people are protesting... but I think the protesters don't quite understand what he said. The media and the left ballooned everything the man said into something it simply wasn't.

I despise Trump - but all he ever really said was "some Mexicans are rapists", "a woman was nasty" and a "temporary ban on muslims until we understand our process"... I don't think he ever spoke about black people in any way - other than that they haven't gotten the help they want from the democrats, so why not try something new
 
mqt said:
I would deny that there was a negative racial component to his message. I cannot say the same for Trump's, and I would argue that the reason for such a strong repudiation of this election is that others agree. I think it's folly to suggest that we're seeing this level of anger because of Trump's platform for taxation or international trade. The reason I think this is important to discuss the role of race in this election is that I feel it's incongruous to suggest that a number of Clinton supporters are unfairly upset because of the racial aspect of the result without also acknowledging that a number of Trump supporters are happy about the result for the same reason. I don't know many reasonable people who would suggest it was all about race, but it's foolish to think it wasn't at least partially about race.
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I won't deny what you're saying, but I think there is simply a lot of fatigue among the electorate when it comes to the overblown racism/sexism rhetoric. I missed 04 election by a few weeks, but was old enough to follow the race, so in my "adult" lifetime that makes 4 elections with 4 different Republican nominees, each one accused of being a racist and a sexist. Right or wrong, the hand has been overplayed.
 
acesfull86 said:
I won't deny what you're saying, but I think there is simply a lot of fatigue among the electorate when it comes to the overblown racism/sexism rhetoric. I missed 04 election by a few weeks, but was old enough to follow the race, so in my "adult" lifetime that makes 4 elections with 4 different Republican nominees, each one accused of being a racist and a sexist. Right or wrong, the hand has been overplayed.
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Yep... the blame game hasn't gotten so old... Personal accountability is not a strong suit of the left
 
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