2016 Election Coverage: Aka Every Way You Look at it You Lose.

sturg33 said:
You should post more...

I think race is a big reason why people are protesting... but I think the protesters don't quite understand what he said. The media and the left ballooned everything the man said into something it simply wasn't.

I despise Trump - but all he ever really said was "some Mexicans are rapists", "a woman was nasty" and a "temporary ban on muslims until we understand our process"... I don't think he ever spoke about black people in any way - other than that they haven't gotten the help they want from the democrats, so why not try something new
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I find this a much more compelling in terms of fostering discussion. I agree that many of his more inflammatory claims and statements about race were qualified in some respects, and would agree that it's important to highlight that. However, I'd still argue that even though there were added qualifications, the language used was needlessly divisive. I'd also again argue that even if you grant that Trump'a policies are not as bad as they appear, a non-negligible portion of his supporters were absolutely thrilled with the distorted version. Both of those reasons lead me to my position that there is a strong reason for members of those communities to feel genuinely afraid.

As for black people, I understand that he never proposed anything specifically against them, but being the law and order candidate and frequently equating African Americans with inner city violence is a concern. I'm not going so far as to suggest he meant for his message to come across that way, but I think it's fair to see how it would.
 
Hawk said:
My post from prior to the polls closing:

If Clinton wins she absolutely did earn it and I will support her ... albeit quite begrudgingly. I wholeheartedly dislike her politics and her positions but see little sense in digging in one's heals and resisting the will of the nation - no matter which way the knife cuts. If she's given a clear mandate to lead I am convicted that we should all give her that opportunity to do just that. She'll have two years to prove herself and she knows that.

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It's what we do. This is America. We respect the vote, not come up with a dozen different reasons why we don't have to or why the winners can't tell us what to do. Enough of the collective pearl clutching.
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I was talking about posts I believe you made earlier in the campaign. I may have the wrong poster, but I distinctly remember someone posting Democratic platform planks and Clinton statements as though they would magically become law if she took office. When I was talking about how the leaked e-mails pretty much showed standard fare in terms of how campaigns operate, I was told that I'm an insider (well, at least was an insider) and that the public-at-large would likely be far more shocked than me. I think the same thing applies to the statements of Trump and Hillary on the campaign trail.

My point here is that many took Hillary's campaign promises as secular gospel and that all it takes is a magic wand to pass legislation. I think a vast majority of the population understands that isn't the case, but some don't. I think it's the same thing with the situation reversed. There are some who believe that the toxic parts of Trump's rhetoric will now become law. I don't think so, but I can't get in the minds of others. I am largely inured to the effects of campaign rhetoric and know how the system works, but I don't think anyone can contend that this wasn't a particularly ugly campaign season on both sides and that some of Trump's statements should give sections of the populace some measure of pause. Should they be demonstrating? The First Amendment says they can.

If it wasn't you who pointed out the Democratic platform planks and the like, I am sorry for mistaking you for that person.
 
thewupk said:
Less people voted for Trump than they did Romney or McCain. Clinton got way less than Obama in both elections. Blame your party for not showing up.
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Very true.

I wrote before he ran a brilliant campaign and hoped the same creativity he used to collect votes translates to a fair approach to governing
His choices since the election signaled that won't be the case.

He still surrounds himself with Bannon, Guilliani etal.

Yes, like the 2010 election I do blame those that didn't show up.
But, that will never negate the fact that there were still 25+ million that did vote for him.

And that vote signifies their approval of his bigotry, dishonesty, misogyny and bullying approach
 
mqt said:
I find this a much more compelling in terms of fostering discussion. I agree that many of his more inflammatory claims and statements about race were qualified in some respects, and would agree that it's important to highlight that. However, I'd still argue that even though there were added qualifications, the language used was needlessly divisive. I'd also again argue that even if you grant that Trump'a policies are not as bad as they appear, a non-negligible portion of his supporters were absolutely thrilled with the distorted version. Both of those reasons lead me to my position that there is a strong reason for members of those communities to feel genuinely afraid.

As for black people, I understand that he never proposed anything specifically against them, but being the law and order candidate and frequently equating African Americans with inner city violence is a concern. I'm not going so far as to suggest he meant for his message to come across that way, but I think it's fair to see how it would.
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What race do you think is responsible for the majority of the inner city violence? Stating facts does not make you racist. Sweeping every black person under the same rug does but simply saying that the majority of inner city violence involves black people is just simply a fact.
 
50PoundHead said:
I was talking about posts I believe you made earlier in the campaign. I may have the wrong poster, but I distinctly remember someone posting Democratic platform planks and Clinton statements as though they would magically become law if she took office. When I was talking about how the leaked e-mails pretty much showed standard fare in terms of how campaigns operate, I was told that I'm an insider (well, at least was an insider) and that the public-at-large would likely be far more shocked than me. I think the same thing applies to the statements of Trump and Hillary on the campaign trail.

My point here is that many took Hillary's campaign promises as secular gospel and that all it takes is a magic wand to pass legislation. I think a vast majority of the population understands that isn't the case, but some don't. I think it's the same thing with the situation reversed. There are some who believe that the toxic parts of Trump's rhetoric will now become law. I don't think so, but I can't get in the minds of others. I am largely inured to the effects of campaign rhetoric and know how the system works, but I don't think anyone can contend that this wasn't a particularly ugly campaign season on both sides and that some of Trump's statements should give sections of the populace some measure of pause. Should they be demonstrating? The First Amendment says they can.

If it wasn't you who pointed out the Democratic platform planks and the like, I am sorry for mistaking you for that person.
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I discussed platforms in the context of the debate we had over my belief that it was inaccurate to portray Hillary as a moderate.
 
57Brave said:
But, that will never negate the fact that there were still 25+ million that did vote for him.

And that vote signifies their approval of his bigotry, dishonesty, misogyny and bullying approach
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If you wanna generalize that way... doesn't that mean that the 25+ million people who voted for HRC signifies their approval of her dishonesty, hypocrisy, and corruption?
 
ESP47 said:
What race do you think is responsible for the majority of the inner city violence? Stating facts does not make you racist. Sweeping every black person under the same rug does but simply saying that the majority of inner city violence involves black people is just simply a fact.
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The issue is that he couldn't seem to separate the two whenever he was asked about black people. I understand that it was likely more of him poorly articulating his thoughts, but it once again is something that would make people uneasy when viewed in conjunction with other statements.
 
sturg33 said:
Libs on this board... please address the video below

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Basically, her whole premise is off-base. Trump won because of an anti-establishment movement, which by definition includes both Dems and Reps. Her argument is one-sided, condescending and basically full of the GOP kool-aid. Yeah ok, all liberals did for 8 years was sit on our asses with flowers in our hair while everyone suffered. Sure sounds like us. How ridiculous to just generalize like that. As if all the conservatives were out in force trying to help fix things. Gee, that good ol' conservative obstruction sure helped. Wonder if she's going to post a 'Dear Conservative Friends' next to talk about what the other side did wrong to get us to where we are now....
 
I see all this talk about America just wanted an anti establishment candidate and I can't help but wonder what if an anti establishment candidate like Ron Paul or Bernie Sanders got a chance. It feels like the 2 parties tried so hard keep their anti establishment candidate away from the nomination and now we end up with a jackass benefiting from that movement. I am no expert on Bernie but I know if Paul's message got a chance to go mainstream it would have caught on better than Trump has. Trump can complain about a lot of things but Paul was actively fighting all those things in Congress.
 
DaneHill said:
Basically, her whole premise is off-base. Trump won because of an anti-establishment movement, which by definition includes both Dems and Reps. Her argument is one-sided, condescending and basically full of the GOP kool-aid. Yeah ok, all liberals did for 8 years was sit on our asses with flowers in our hair while everyone suffered. Sure sounds like us. How ridiculous to just generalize like that. As if all the conservatives were out in force trying to help fix things. Gee, that good ol' conservative obstruction sure helped. Wonder if she's going to post a 'Dear Conservative Friends' next to talk about what the other side did wrong to get us to where we are now....
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You totally missed the entire point... none of that is GOP is rhetoric... It's liberal hypocrisy.

Look at what the left is doing right now. After years of "tolerance, "love trumps hate," "stronger together," and now they are burning the world down bc they didn't get their way.

They need to find their safe space and "cry ins" because they're the biggest bunch of losers on this planet.

I'm serious. The left is a joke.
 
weso1 said:
Leftists are showing their collective ass in this post election crap. About to destroy the democratic party.
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I'm not watching the news so don't really know what's going on, but Trump and many of his supporters promised to do the exact same thing if Hillary won.

My advice is to avoid the news for a while.
 
Runnin said:
I'm not watching the news so don't really know what's going on, but Trump and many of his supporters promised to do the exact same thing if Hillary won.
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No way Trump supporters would be protesting/rioting like this if Trump lost, and I'm not really sure that was ever suggested in any organized way. But I do agree that it was wrong for Trump to suggest the voting system was rigged without evidence.

I think it's a big mistake to ignore the radicals in your party. Ignore them long enough and soon they will take it over.
 
weso1 said:
No way Trump supporters would be protesting/rioting like this if Trump lost, and I'm not really sure that was ever suggested in any organized way. But I do agree that it was wrong for Trump to suggest the voting system was rigged without evidence.

I think it's a big mistake to ignore the radicals in your party. Ignore them long enough and soon they will take it over.
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Why wouldn't the right protest and riot if Hillary won? Remember all the massive protests when a black man took the office?

Oh wait....
 
Krgrecw said:
Why wouldn't the right protest and riot if Hillary won? Remember all the massive protests when a black man took the office?

Oh wait....
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There were no protests because he was clearly the better option and won the popular vote both times.
 
Megan Kelly says Trump knew the questions at the first debate. Titanium cajones and not a remorseful bone in his body.

Voter fraud! Crooked Hillary Clinton even got the questions to a debate, and nobody says a word. Can you imagine if I got the questions?

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 17, 2016
 
Runnin said:
Megan Kelly says Trump knew the questions at the first debate. Titanium cajones and not a remorseful bone in his body.

Voter fraud! Crooked Hillary Clinton even got the questions to a debate, and nobody says a word. Can you imagine if I got the questions?

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 17, 2016
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And tells the leeches in both parties that want his ear to go "fu*k themselves"

"I won, I am rich, I don't need no stinking favors, you lost, get over it" The badass Trump.

THe only thing I worry about now that the elites can't run the country via a puppet like Bush, Obama and could have been Clinton, they have someone who would give them a middle finger without thought. President Trump really needs to watch is back, a Cheney/Bob Knight type of individual could be following him and do an oops.
 
57Brave said:
If you see this election and the reaction to it as gloating winners and sore losers --- you have for the umpteenth time, missed the point.

I don't protest
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I would be willing to bet that less than 50 percent of the protesters actually voted. Actually, probably less than 40 percent just going by the numbers of who came to vote.

But they are somehow justified in their protesting......
 
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