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Frenchy and Heyward are having somewhat similar years when you look at the #'s, but i'll leave that here and not piss off the Heyward worshipers who think he's a superstar.
 
Heyward said:
Frenchy and Heyward are having somewhat similar years when you look at the #'s, but i'll leave that here and not piss off the Heyward worshipers who think he's a superstar.
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Yes. Their RAW OPS numbers are similar. However I would think in 2015 that we would know not to use just that to compare players.
 
rawwr said:
Is the implication here that Heyward doesn't do his job every day because he's too concerned with money? Do you have any other insights into his psyche?
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The resident experts here seem to know that he deserves $200MM. Personally, I couldn't care less about his psyche. He's been gone for a while now, and it didn't cause me any sleepless nights, as with some many other posters here.

rawwr said:
Maybe he also doesn't love baseball as much as he should.
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Yes, let's keep recycling that cliché. Gary Sheffield probably didn't even like baseball. Yet, pitchers feared him. Heyward, meanwhile, doesn't have many pitchers worrying about his next AB.

rawwr said:
I'm not really sure what you're even trying to argue anymore.
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Mr. Wupk claimed to me (twice) that driving in runs was on & off. Gehrig was the most extreme example to illustrate the point that such a skill could be consistent. If there was an inclination, any number of other examples could be found with players who drive in runs. Not wanting to spend the time during summer to research it, and not getting paid to it, unlike so many others here, there's no inclination to name others. Having said that, maybe instead of just regurgitating something from Fangraphs, one of the experts here could start a new thread to consider whether there really is such as thing as "clutch hitting."
 
Knucksie said:
The resident experts here seem to know that he deserves $200MM. Personally, I couldn't care less about his psyche. He's been gone for a while now, and it didn't cause me any sleepless nights, as with some many other posters here.

Yes, let's keep recycling that cliché. Gary Sheffield probably didn't even like baseball. Yet, pitchers feared him. Heyward, meanwhile, doesn't have many pitchers worrying about his next AB.

Mr. Wupk claimed to me (twice) that driving in runs was on & off. Gehrig was the most extreme example to illustrate the point that such a skill could be consistent. If there was an inclination, any number of other examples could be found with players who drive in runs. Not wanting to spend the time during summer to research it, and not getting paid to it, unlike so many others here, there's no inclination to name others. Having said that, maybe instead of just regurgitating something from Fangraphs, one of the experts here could start a new thread to consider whether there really is such as thing as "clutch hitting."
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Before you say something like that. Post his numbers with RISP and not just RBI totals. IF that's the case then you might have a point.
 
thewupk said:
I'm sorry. But if you are of the opinion that Heyward should only get 8-10 million per year then you are an idiot. Sometimes the truth hurts.
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If the Cards let him walk and rolled with Holliday, Piscotty, Jay, Bourjos, Grichuk next year, what's their W/L record next year since he's SOOOOOOOOOOOOO valuable?
 
thewupk said:
Yes. Their RAW OPS numbers are similar. However I would think in 2015 that we would know not to use just that to compare players.
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Heyward's having a good offensive year but his WAR numbers have always been inflated due to his defense.
 
Heyward said:
If the Cards let him walk and rolled with Holliday, Piscotty, Jay, Bourjos, Grichuk next year, what's their W/L record next year since he's SOOOOOOOOOOOOO valuable?
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What does that have to do with thinking Heyward deserves 8-10 million per year?
 
Heyward said:
Heyward's having a good offensive year but his WAR numbers have always been inflated due to his defense.
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I don't think inflated is the right word. They are as high as they are because he's elite on defense and a very good base runner. Yes defense does matter when evaluating a player.
 
JohnAdcox said:
This is why I respectfully disagree with your position. While you base your numbers purely on performance, I am looking at the realities of a market in which even marginal bats are at a premium.

There. Fixed that for you.
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I'm not as elegant as you
 
thewupk said:
I don't think inflated is the right word. They are as high as they are because he's elite on defense and a very good base runner. Yes defense does matter when evaluating a player.
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It does but if a player is elite on defense and an average hitter, that mean they deserve 15-20 mil a year?
 
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