2016 Trade Deadline Rumors and Moves

Carp said:
This is a pretty large over-exaggeration, imo. The Yankees acquired 8 of the following prospects this deadline:

Clint Frazier - the headliner of their deadline acquisitions. Similar to Swanson in value at the time we traded for him. Unlikely we would have gotten him for anyone on our roster aside from maybe Vizcaino, but even that is a reach as they may have preferred Miller to Viz.

Gleyber Torres - a nice piece for sure, but more projection at this point than actual production. Similar value to Newcomb or Wisler at the time of their trades.

Justice Sheffield - a lefty with projection, but he is pretty short, which questions his long term potential to stay as a starter. Blair would be a similar comp, but I think Blair held quite a bit more value at the time of his trade.

Dillon Tate - Touki 2.0. Million dollar arm, but quite a ways away and struggling pretty bad currently. At least we didn't give up anything valuable for Touki, unlike the Yaknees did for Tate.

Billy McKinney - a decent hitting prospect having a rough year. Projects for average power but good contact and on base skills. Not much of a defender and projected for LF. Bat likely doesn't carry as a LFer. Probably drops out of the Top 100 in the next issue.

Heller, Crawford, and Feyereisen are fringe guys, though I do like Heller's potential as a high leverage reliever. But RP prospects are hardly worth mentioning.

I'm sorry, but those 8 compare nothing to:

Folty, Wisler, Inciarte, Swanson, Blair, Jenkins, Touki, Newcomb, Ruiz, both Petersons, Mallex, Jenkins, Gant, Fried, Whalen, and Demerritte. I'm sure I'm even missing some more. Several of these guys are already making an impact on the major league roster and pretty much all of them have gained value since the trade (sans Blair and Wisler).
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MLBTR considers the Yanks top 3 now, they did an excellent job:

Yankee fan

4:09 Should I be upset or happy with what happened during trade period?

Steve Adams

4:10 The Yankees are being universally lauded as having one of the top three farms in the game now, and really all that happened was you traded two guys that were going to be free agents and an amazing reliever. I'd be thrilled. Yankees weren't making the playoffs anyway.

And for as good as Miller is, he's still a pitcher -- and a reliever no less... the most volatile commodity in the game.
 
Question for those bemoaning the Braves' inactivity at the deadline, what would you have accepted for Teheran? My guess is the offers were something like Devers and Owens from the Red Sox and Gallo from the Rangers. Do you guys make those deals?
 
50PoundHead said:
Question for those bemoaning the Braves' inactivity at the deadline, what would you have accepted for Teheran? My guess is the offers were something like Devers and Owens from the Red Sox and Gallo from the Rangers. Do you guys make those deals?
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It is very hard to make those decisions based on pure speculation. I am not a fan of Gallo. I think it is clear that guys like Moncada and Bregman were never an option though.

I find it impossible to believe that in a market where Moore got Duffy the Braves couldn't get a 3-4 WAR position player with 5+ years of control for Teheran.

Hopefully in the next week some of the offers on the table for Julio will start to surface and we can argue about it for days.
 
50PoundHead said:
Question for those bemoaning the Braves' inactivity at the deadline, what would you have accepted for Teheran? My guess is the offers were something like Devers and Owens from the Red Sox and Gallo from the Rangers. Do you guys make those deals?
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Heck no.
 
Enscheff said:
I find it impossible to believe that in a market where Moore got Duffy the Braves couldn't get a 3-4 WAR position player with 5+ years of control for Teheran.
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Who are those players? You're basically describing a really good player who has just begun playing in the majors. Who is giving that up?
 
Enscheff said:
It is very hard to make those decisions based on pure speculation. I am not a fan of Gallo. I think it is clear that guys like Moncada and Bregman were never an option though.

I find it impossible to believe that in a market where Moore got Duffy the Braves couldn't get a 3-4 WAR position player with 5+ years of control for Teheran.

Hopefully in the next week some of the offers on the table for Julio will start to surface and we can argue about it for days.
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I hope you're not saying you would have settled for Matt Duffy (or someone like him) for Teheran. I just don't think the offers were there for either Teheran or Vizcaino.
 
So...they must have at least been "open" to trading Julio. Why else wait until after the deadline to place him on the DL?
 
Enscheff said:
It is very hard to make those decisions based on pure speculation. I am not a fan of Gallo. I think it is clear that guys like Moncada and Bregman were never an option though.

I find it impossible to believe that in a market where Moore got Duffy the Braves couldn't get a 3-4 WAR position player with 5+ years of control for Teheran.

Hopefully in the next week some of the offers on the table for Julio will start to surface and we can argue about it for days.
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Maybe you will eventually win one of these weeks long pi$$ing matches!!!
 
smootness said:
Who are those players? You're basically describing a really good player who has just begun playing in the majors. Who is giving that up?
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I would have strongly considered the Matt Moore package for JT. Considering JT is better, he likely would have gotten a better offer, no?
 
smootness said:
Who are those players? You're basically describing a really good player who has just begun playing in the majors. Who is giving that up?
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And if it was out there, why didn't the Braves take it?

I find it much more likely that no one offered them that kind of deal.

I don't quite understand why people think that a professional baseball organization who hires people with advanced degrees in this kind of thing who spend their entire workdays looking at this stuff can't figure out what they've gleaned from spending ten minutes on fangraphs. I'm prepared to accept that they are rational people who've come up in baseball organizations and have some baseline of competence and superior knowledge to us.

All things being equal, it seems likely the Braves could not find a killer return for Teheran and Vizcaino that justified trading them.

I'm not crazy about Kemp and I'm specifically not crazy about how they've tried to sell his acquisition, but I know that what they think and what they say to market are two different things.

My guess is they'd have moved Teheran for a big time package that addressed their need at a position without hesitation.
 
I think there's a pretty good chance the Yankees turn around and trade some of these prospects for bigger pieces in the offseason.

Frazier + Rutherford for Teheran?
 
gilesfan said:
I would have strongly considered the Matt Moore package for JT. Considering JT is better, he likely would have gotten a better offer, no?
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That would have been a terrible deal. Duffy is a mid-ceiling guy and Santos and Fox are light years away.
 
gilesfan said:
I would have strongly considered the Moore package for JT. Considering JT is better, he likely would have gotten a better offer, no?
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What about Duffy is that enticing? He was good last year, but his underlying offensive numbers weren't that impressive and he's regressed this year. That would have been a seriously underwhelming return.
 
Enscheff said:
MLBTR considers the Yanks top 3 now, they did an excellent job:

Yankee fan
4:09 Should I be upset or happy with what happened during trade period?

Steve Adams
4:10 The Yankees are being universally lauded as having one of the top three farms in the game now, and really all that happened was you traded two guys that were going to be free agents and an amazing reliever. I'd be thrilled. Yankees weren't making the playoffs anyway.
And for as good as Miller is, he's still a pitcher -- and a reliever no less... the most volatile commodity in the game.
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No one said they didn't do a fantastic job. But comparing their deadline acquisitions to our rebuild is silly. We CLEARLY have brought in more talent from our trades than what the Yanks brought in this past deadline.
 
50PoundHead said:
That would have been a terrible deal. Duffy is a mid-ceiling guy and Santos and Fox are light years away.
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Duffy is prollyna 4 WAR player per year. Great defender with solid bat. I could see him being somewhere between a better defensive prado and a Matt Carpenter. Hes batted ball profile (launch angle) profiles among the best hitters in game (carpenter/murphy for example). How many 25 year olds have a 5 WAR season?

Would you trade Kyle Seager for JT, i would?'
 
gilesfan said:
Duffy is prollyna 4 WAR player per year. Great defender with solid bat. I could see him being somewhere between a better defensive prado and a Matt Carpenter. Hes batted ball profile (launch angle) profiles among the best hitters in game (carpenter/murphy for example). How many 25 year olds have a 5 WAR season?

Would you trade Kyle Seager for JT, i would?'
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He's undoubtedly a league average bat with mediocre plate discipline and limited power. He's a good defender, but I'm not trading my best trade piece for 10 DRS.

I would trade JT for Kyle Seager. Kyle Seager is also not available.
 
chop2chip said:
He's undoubtedly a league average bat with mediocre plate discipline and limited power. He's a good defender, but I'm not trading my best trade piece for 10 DRS.

I would trade JT for Kyle Seager. Kyle Seager is also not available.
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Duffy hit well in minors and has been league avg at age 25 in majors while playing great defense. His launch angle suggests he could have a power surge. Hes a good hitter

Seager is about what Duffy should be. More power. Less defense.
 
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