Even conceding that the Padres got more in return, you can't just assume we could have. The Red Sox FO was different by the time the Padres traded him, and their previous regime was nowhere near as willing to give up young talent. So the Red Sox almost certainly wouldn't have given us a similar package, it would have had to be somebody else. And I'm just not sure we could have done it. Maybe we could have, but I am totally fine with the return we got, as was essentially everyone at the time we made the deal. I'm not that interested in comparing our good deal with another that I might consider even better. I like the deal we made.
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Even conceding that the Padres got more in return, you can't just assume we could have. The Red Sox FO was different by the time the Padres traded him, and their previous regime was nowhere near as willing to give up young talent. So the Red Sox almost certainly wouldn't have given us a similar package, it would have had to be somebody else. And I'm just not sure we could have done it. Maybe we could have, but I am totally fine with the return we got, as was essentially everyone at the time we made the deal. I'm not that interested in comparing our good deal with another that I might consider even better. I like the deal we made.
You can find negative reports and questions about basically everyone. His star was not fading. Everyone was pumped to get him.
I wasn't thrilled then and have been proven right to this point. As a Braves fan, I hope he can get the ship righted. He's still young and has time. But we are going 3 straight years now of terrible performances.
I'm not talking about getting more in return from the Red Sox, I'm talking about getting more in return from the Padres. And we would have without a doubt gotten more if we didn't include BJ.
Yeah, he was slightly higher ranked in 2015 than 2014, though there were pretty big warning signs in his AAA numbers in 2014. Most at the time were as excited about moving BJ as getting Wisler, but they were buying the company line of a quick rebuild as well.
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RE: Matt Wisler.....I'm sure glad the Braves didn't give up on Tom Glavine when he went 0-5 with a 6.30 ERA in August of 1990 or John Smoltz when he was 2-11 with a 5.16 ERA through the first half of the 1991 season.
Matt Wisler 1st 235 IP, 4.95 ERA, 6.4 K/9, 3.0 BB/9
Tom Glavine 1st 245 IP, 4.77 ERA, 3.8 K/9, 3.9 BB/9
Matt Wisler 1st 235 IP, 4.95 ERA, 6.4 K/9, 3.0 BB/9
Tom Glavine 1st 245 IP, 4.77 ERA, 3.8 K/9, 3.9 BB/9
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I see this argument made a lot.
It's a poor one.
Using this argument will justify any poor performance because two hall of famers started out poor also!
Except for Tom Glavine himself made this argument during a telecast. He said that he sees a lot in Wisler and we need to be patient as he works his game management (basically) out through the year(s). He used himself as an example.
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If I were Coppy, I would tell the Marlins a flat no too. Next to worst farm system and only position player I like is Yelich (considering contracts). Sounds disgusting.
It makes sense to say Teheran's not available at all to teams with trash farms and weird production of ML talent.
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No real news on any team in quite awhile
We're pretty good when it comes to being silent and making a splash.
I'm about 35/65 we trade Julio. Viz is still a possibility.
I think Johnson is gone. Adonis probably a sleeper to get traded.
I think we trade Mall or Ender this offseason.
Can we stop with the Glavine and Smoltz comps with every pitcher that struggles? It is beyond moronic. All it shows is you have no ability to bring a unique thought to the argument.
For every Glavine there are 100 pitchers who performed poorly at a young age and ended up as nothing.
While the latter is true, we do have Glavine in the organization and he's actively mentored Wisler. So I still reserve hope for Wisler because he looked awesome in the beginning and there's nothing physically preventing him from getting back to that.
The problem is they aren't comparable pitchers at all in terms of style. Glavine got away with being a low strikeout pitcher mostly because he was an extreme groundball pitcher. Wisler is a flyball pitcher, so he can't get away with not missing bats. Having Glavine mentor him isn't going to necessarily do squat for him since they are entirely different types of pitchers. The only hope Wisler has is to improve his secondary stuff and develop an out pitch.
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I think his slider is a decent out pitch, but he really needs an effective third pitch. If he could develop a better change I believe his slider would play way up. Throwing it close to 30% with just a FB wont work. Agree about the lack of similarities though.
They don't have to be the same style pitcher to make the mentoring work.
Glavine can just be there to dissect Wisler's game, and help him mentally in certain situations.
It looks like it was working, don't know what happened to Matt now. It's never too late for him to develop a sinker or 2 seamer either. He has a solid arm, and I'd like to continue giving him chances.
That's fine, so say that. Say "Glavine is mentoring him, and that guys knows a thing or two about pitching".
Don't say, "Hey Wisler sucked early in his career, and so did Glavine, so it's all good".
Wisler is talented and chances are he is going to round into a decent MOR starter that will be pretty valuable into his late 20s. He is likely going to succeed or fail regardless of chatting with Glavine about the finer points of pitching to the outside corner of the plate. There is a less than 1% chance he even sniffs the level of production Glavine enjoyed, so let's stop with the asinine comparisons.
Here's a rule of thumb: if you find yourself comparing a player with a couple years of service time to a HOFer, just stop. Don't hit the post button. Delete whatever you were about to write, and slap yourself for being an idiot.
Pretty much what Enscheff said. This happens every time a somewhat decent pitching prospect comes up and doesn't do well. It's beyond annoying to constantly compare young struggling pitchers to HOF players who also happened to struggle early. Odds are that Wisler is average at best. Now there is nothing wrong with that but there is nothing to suggest he's going to be an upper end starter.
