2017 Opening Day Roster Taking Shape

The science is not concrete on what causes pitchers injuries. With absolutely no basis behind this opinion i feel it's over use in the developmental years 12-16 as opposed to innings logged later on in life. It's better to err on the side of caution so I see where you are going with it.
 
thethe said:
The science is not concrete on what causes pitchers injuries. /QUOTE]

With virtually all the things we discuss and debate about around here, we are operating in the realm of probabilities rather than certainties. It is a fact that pitchers in their late teens and early 20s have a higher risk of injury after they experience a big increase in the work load. Nothing "concrete," whatever that means. But the risk or probability of injury goes up by a non-trivial amount.
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msstate7 said:
How would we use him? Just giving markakis and kemp days off? Pagan has had a negative dWAR the last 6 seasons, so he's not much of a defensive replacement for kemp
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Be a true back up CF for when Ender pulls a hammy. He would be better than Neck and Kemp even though he is not elite defensively. And he is a better bat than Jace, Chase, Bonnie.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
Be a true back up CF for when Ender pulls a hammy. He would be better than Neck and Kemp even though he is not elite defensively. And he is a better bat than Jace, Chase, Bonnie.
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Definetely agree with last sentence. Here's pagan's dWAR (BR) last 2 years... '16 = -1.2, '15 = -1.9. For reference, here's kemp's... '16 = -1.5, '15 = -1.1
 
msstate7 said:
Definetely agree with last sentence. Here's pagan's dWAR (BR) last 2 years... '16 = -1.2, '15 = -1.9. For reference, here's kemp's... '16 = -1.5, '15 = -1.1
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Baseball ref splits out partial seasons automatically in their WAR page. The -1.5 and -1.1 for Kemp is what he did in 2016 with the Braves and Padres. He's actually at -2.6 for 2016 and -2.4 for 2015.
 
thewupk said:
Baseball ref splits out partial seasons automatically in their WAR page. The -1.5 and -1.1 for Kemp is what he did in 2016 with the Braves and Padres. He's actually at -2.6 for 2016 and -2.4 for 2015.
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Good catch. The point remains though... pagan is a pretty bad defender. Hell, markakis was 0.3 in dWAR last season
 
msstate7 said:
Good catch. The point remains though... pagan is a pretty bad defender. Hell, markakis was 0.3 in dWAR last season
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Yeah. I don't like the way bref does that. It's gotten me a couple of times. And I would agree for the most part. If I'm wanting a 4th OF to be a defensive upgrade then Pagan would not really be my 1st choice. The positive with them is there is a good chance he could be a decent bench bat. Certainly better than what we have now.
 
Oklahomabrave said:
I Fried, Weigel, Soroka, Allard reported rotation so far.

Guessing Gohara, Touki, Sanchez in A+
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Probably Drew Harrington in A+, too. I'm interested to hear Coppy talk about the Allard/Soroka moves. Both will be 19 years old all season. Not really sure the need to rush them like that.
 
CJ9 said:
Probably Drew Harrington in A+, too. I'm interested to hear Coppy talk about the Allard/Soroka moves. Both will be 19 years old all season. Not really sure the need to rush them like that.
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When your job hinges on your decision to base the rebuild around pitching, suddenly there is plenty of reason to rush these pitchers.
 
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